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I wish there was a 'compulsory licensing' for individuals for personal use. Pay a lump sum and then you're obliged to receive a license for downloading whatever

by yason 16y ago

I wish there was a 'compulsory licensing' for individuals for personal use. Pay a lump sum and then you're obliged to receive a license for downloading whatever you want from whatever source you like. If the MPAA/RIAA goons log your IP address and send you a notice of copyright infringement, slam the license on their face, and politely ask them to fsck off.

alain94040 16y ago
Would you support the same compulsory licensing for the software you write? Are shareware authors bad people? (I'm trying to push this argument to understand why we need to treat music differently).
- megaman821 16y ago
  This really isn't an apt comparison at all. Music has a pretty limited set of uses than can be enumerated and license fees can be assigned to. This would allow for more competition and innovation in the music space if every new service didn't have to spend years upon years negotiating with the record labels. It would be even better if television and movies also had compulsory licenses. Maybe not for new releases but after a certain amount of time the value of certain types of videos becomes nearly equal.
- j_baker 16y ago
  Music isn't different, but it's treated that way presently. For instance, if I build a website using Windows, .Net, and SQL Server, I don't have to give Microsoft 50% of my revenue. Same with shareware. I don't have to rely on other big companies to negotiate deals with the shareware authors. I just buy the software directly from them.
  - shizcakes 16y ago
    This is a poor analogy. Pandora isn't paying music fees once to listen to the songs in their office, they are paying recurring fees because they then redistribute that music to others in a streaming fashion.
    - j_baker 16y ago
      That's because I wasn't making an analogy. I'm showing how two similar business transactions (ie, they both involve being able to use content of some kind be it software or music) are artificially made different by laws and "leverage". I mean, there are very few software companies that can place the limitations on their software and charge the same way the music and movie industries do.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  Software authors are different from musicians - we don't go to the government and pay money to have our problems fixed by fiat. So thats why the price should be different too.
zipdog 16y ago
Although it would complicate matters, I'd prefer the license to be by song or by band or similar. Otherwise they'd either need to track your listening/downloading habits to make payments to artists fair, or else just make the payments on their own metrics (which are always tilted toward the artists most controlled by the labels)
patio11 16y ago
Supposing we wave a magic wand and eliminate all legal, contractual, technical, and logistical barriers to doing that, how much do you think would be fair for unmatched, untrackable, all-you-can eat access to music?
- tomjen3 16y ago
  There is no such thing as fair pricing, the only price is the lowest you can get (if you are the buyer) or the highest you can get (if you are the seller). Getting a fair price is handing power to your enemy in a zero sum game.
Joakal 16y ago
Compulsory licensing already exists: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Private_copyi... And these goes to the music groups where if you're a band, you must apply for royalties. I don't think any band got very much at all. 'Government-sanctioned guilds'

by yason 16y ago

alain94040 16y ago

Would you support the same compulsory licensing for the software you write? Are shareware authors bad people? (I'm trying to push this argument to understand why we need to treat music differently).

megaman821 16y ago
This really isn't an apt comparison at all. Music has a pretty limited set of uses than can be enumerated and license fees can be assigned to. This would allow for more competition and innovation in the music space if every new service didn't have to spend years upon years negotiating with the record labels. It would be even better if television and movies also had compulsory licenses. Maybe not for new releases but after a certain amount of time the value of certain types of videos becomes nearly equal.
j_baker 16y ago
Music isn't different, but it's treated that way presently. For instance, if I build a website using Windows, .Net, and SQL Server, I don't have to give Microsoft 50% of my revenue. Same with shareware. I don't have to rely on other big companies to negotiate deals with the shareware authors. I just buy the software directly from them.
- shizcakes 16y ago
  This is a poor analogy. Pandora isn't paying music fees once to listen to the songs in their office, they are paying recurring fees because they then redistribute that music to others in a streaming fashion.
  - j_baker 16y ago
    That's because I wasn't making an analogy. I'm showing how two similar business transactions (ie, they both involve being able to use content of some kind be it software or music) are artificially made different by laws and "leverage". I mean, there are very few software companies that can place the limitations on their software and charge the same way the music and movie industries do.
tomjen3 16y ago
Software authors are different from musicians - we don't go to the government and pay money to have our problems fixed by fiat. So thats why the price should be different too.

zipdog 16y ago

Although it would complicate matters, I'd prefer the license to be by song or by band or similar. Otherwise they'd either need to track your listening/downloading habits to make payments to artists fair, or else just make the payments on their own metrics (which are always tilted toward the artists most controlled by the labels)

patio11 16y ago

Supposing we wave a magic wand and eliminate all legal, contractual, technical, and logistical barriers to doing that, how much do you think would be fair for unmatched, untrackable, all-you-can eat access to music?

tomjen3 16y ago
There is no such thing as fair pricing, the only price is the lowest you can get (if you are the buyer) or the highest you can get (if you are the seller). Getting a fair price is handing power to your enemy in a zero sum game.

Joakal 16y ago

Compulsory licensing already exists: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Private_copyi... And these goes to the music groups where if you're a band, you must apply for royalties. I don't think any band got very much at all. 'Government-sanctioned guilds'