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I was a postdoc or I was employed in similar roles (Research Fellow, Reseach Scholar) for close to 10 years before moving into tech. Although I overall enjoyed
by borroka 7y ago
I was a postdoc or I was employed in similar roles (Research Fellow, Reseach Scholar) for close to 10 years before moving into tech.
Although I overall enjoyed my postdoc years – in particular, I enjoyed doing research, writing papers, and having the freedom to explore and travel – I kinda regret not having been more pro-active during those years in terms of looking for what was next. I sent ~ 70 job applications for TT jobs that I believed were within my reach (I had > 25-30 publications with me as a first author, some of them published in prestigious journals, and a research plan that I had the belief was forward-looking, and novel and solid at the same time), but I was not called even for a phone interview by any of the committees. I have a few clues about why that happened, but it is not relevant here.
What I recommend to postdocs of Ph.D. students when they reach out to me asking for some advice on what to do in their career, I always recommend not to pursue a second postdoc. One can be fine and fun, you become basically a senior researcher in a field you feel some passion for, and you do not have the stress of completing and defending 5+ years of work (my Ph.D. actually lasted less than 3 years). But by starting your second postdoc, with no solid chances of landing a TT position at a good research institution (I assume that it is what most people continuing their postdoc career are looking forward to getting), you get deeper and deeper into a maze from which it becomes more and more difficult to find a way out; you start to become too old and credentialed for junior or mid-level positions, people in tech (or industry more in general) identify you as an academic – which is always a bad thing if you are not a renowned academic in a particular niche of current interest, say NLP, Computer Vision –, you lose your confidence in being able to change your career.
However, the story does not have a happy ending. Very rarely, these postdocs listen to me; they prefer to succumb to the authoritarian voices of their advisors and peers, who more often than not say that if they do good work, they will find a TT position soon, maybe they just need another publication, a little grant, or some luck.
- musicale 7y ago> sent ~ 70 job applications for TT jobs that I believed were within my reach ... but I was not called even for a phone interview by any of the committees. If there are around 500 applicants per position, presumably you would need to apply to around 500 positions.
- borroka 7y agoIf you assume the probability of getting a position is uniformly distributed over the applicants. If you think about it for 10 seconds, you can agree with me it is a spherical-cow assumption.
- thomasahle 7y agoIt sounds pretty odd that you didn't get any responses. As someone in a similar job situation, it would be interesting to know what you think the reason was? Did one of your references work against you?
- borroka 7y agoNot really odd, generally speaking. Only a small proportion of postdocs (<10% in my field is my estimate) get a TT position. Nobody in my Ph.D. cohort got any and we are all well beyond our academic expiration date. The main reasons for my lack of success were: a Ph.D. from a foreign country; a prestigious fellowship from a foreign institution; a non-US model system I used for my research; the wrong gender. They all made me and my advisors/sponsors (those who dedicated more than one minute to think about my career) overestimate my chances of landing a TT position at a research university. In any case, I have been very happy with my career change. What I do now is much more aligned with my personality and I now know I would have not been happy in a TT position. In particular, since myself and long-term commitment took divergent roads many years ago, the difficulties in changing institution after starting TT would have put me in a pretty bad mental place.