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> From your link the baseline [...] by 0.8C from there. You goober, I was comparing the measurements from 2000 onward. You specifically said the past couple d

> From your link the baseline [...] by 0.8C from there. You goober, I was comparing the measurements from 2000 onward. You specifically said the past couple decades. The reference point does not matter at all. > As far as anamolies go, which area is experiencing "cooler than average" (which, as mentioned above, is difficult to do) depends on the year, but here's a map from NOAA showing 2013 temps and clearly shows the Western U.S. experiencing below average temps (from a 1980-2010 baseline) You just complained about cherry picking and now you're looking at a single year that was slightly colder. On average, the US is warmer everywhere. > GISS also claims to have global temperature data from 1884 that doesn't exist. They interpolate and make up numbers when they go back that far, as we don't have records from much of Asia, Africa, eastern Europe and south America during that time, even huge swaths of Australia were not covered by temperature gauges. Still irrelevant to the last couple decades. Sue me for trusting NASA though, I guess?

chrisco255 7y ago
I think GISS is not trustworthy. Honestly, they engage in data tampering and manipulation and they're not honest about historical climate data and it's limitations (prior to satellite era). The margin of error for data prior to satellite era is higher than the observed warming in the 20th century. UAH is a good resource (University of Alabama-Huntsville in conjunction with NASA, albeit a different department than GISS) and they show a 0.13C per decade trend since the 80s. That being said, because global temps are not evenly distributed, some areas are experiencing cooler temps and some areas are experiencing warmer temps. Averages hide a lot of nuance. See below for latest chart from UAH: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/01/uah-global-temperature-update-for-december-2019-0-56-deg-c/ http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/01/uah-global-temperature-u...
- hwillis 7y ago
  Fuck off. Roy Spencer is an Evangelical creationist who wrote a book about evolution being wrong. He believes humans have no affect on global warming and that more CO2 in the atmosphere is a good thing: https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer His own satellite work has been retracted and refuted: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/have-satellites-actually-observed-cooling/ https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/have-satel... He's a bad scientist who cares far more about his own politics than accurate research.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    The University of Alabama-Huntsville satellite temperature record is one of the highest quality measurements of global temperature. It works by measuring the vibration of oxygen molecules around the globe. Since oxygen is evenly distributed at sea level (at ~20% of the atmosphere), it's a damn good measurement. It's a co-designed project that has operational since 1979. Dr. John Christy is also involved in the project. Fuck off with Skeptical Science. It's a smear campaign run by a guy with a quarter of the credentials of Christy and Spencer, who worked with NASA to produce the first ever global satellite temperature recording. They invented the process for goodness sake. Anyone can write a blog. Show me John Cook's groundbreaking achievements. Better yet, argue from an empirical standpoint about the methodology UAH uses instead of spouting off copy-pasta ad hominem attacks. And quit judging people based on their religion. Isaac Newton was a creationist for God's sake. Get over yourself. Also, here's more research for you to chew on: The Key Role of Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation in Minimum Temperature Over North America During Global Warming Slowdown Shows minimum temps dropping during the last couple decades in North America: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018EA000443 https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/201... Also: The dynamics of the warming hiatus over the northern hemisphere https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3085-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3085-...

chrisco255 7y ago

I think GISS is not trustworthy. Honestly, they engage in data tampering and manipulation and they're not honest about historical climate data and it's limitations (prior to satellite era). The margin of error for data prior to satellite era is higher than the observed warming in the 20th century. UAH is a good resource (University of Alabama-Huntsville in conjunction with NASA, albeit a different department than GISS) and they show a 0.13C per decade trend since the 80s. That being said, because global temps are not evenly distributed, some areas are experiencing cooler temps and some areas are experiencing warmer temps. Averages hide a lot of nuance. See below for latest chart from UAH: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/01/uah-global-temperature-update-for-december-2019-0-56-deg-c/ http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/01/uah-global-temperature-u...

hwillis 7y ago
Fuck off. Roy Spencer is an Evangelical creationist who wrote a book about evolution being wrong. He believes humans have no affect on global warming and that more CO2 in the atmosphere is a good thing: https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer His own satellite work has been retracted and refuted: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/have-satellites-actually-observed-cooling/ https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/have-satel... He's a bad scientist who cares far more about his own politics than accurate research.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  The University of Alabama-Huntsville satellite temperature record is one of the highest quality measurements of global temperature. It works by measuring the vibration of oxygen molecules around the globe. Since oxygen is evenly distributed at sea level (at ~20% of the atmosphere), it's a damn good measurement. It's a co-designed project that has operational since 1979. Dr. John Christy is also involved in the project. Fuck off with Skeptical Science. It's a smear campaign run by a guy with a quarter of the credentials of Christy and Spencer, who worked with NASA to produce the first ever global satellite temperature recording. They invented the process for goodness sake. Anyone can write a blog. Show me John Cook's groundbreaking achievements. Better yet, argue from an empirical standpoint about the methodology UAH uses instead of spouting off copy-pasta ad hominem attacks. And quit judging people based on their religion. Isaac Newton was a creationist for God's sake. Get over yourself. Also, here's more research for you to chew on: The Key Role of Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation in Minimum Temperature Over North America During Global Warming Slowdown Shows minimum temps dropping during the last couple decades in North America: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018EA000443 https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/201... Also: The dynamics of the warming hiatus over the northern hemisphere https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3085-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3085-...