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I don't really care for politics on the front page HN; but yeah, the willful (and hostile) ignorance of our leadership in this nation shouldn't be tolerated. W

I don't really care for politics on the front page HN; but yeah, the willful (and hostile) ignorance of our leadership in this nation shouldn't be tolerated. We should be voting for the dude that doesn't have strange angry nonsensical outbursts. You know, the dude that's not Trump, Biden, Warren, or Bloomberg.

foxyv 7y ago
I kinda like Andrew Yang. He seems to be proposing actual solutions to our economy rather than just papering over everything. Then again I haven't heard much from his detractors yet. https://www.yang2020.com/ https://www.yang2020.com/
- desireco42 7y ago
  IMHO (after all this HN), Yang is great but not president material, he would be great if future president would include him as VP or some other leading role.
  - wdn 7y ago
    You telling me Biden, warren and Sanders are president material? 2 of them never held a real job. One of them lie to the top. I am so happy that Trump is president. He is making correct business decisions not political correct decision.
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    - scient 7y ago
      Got any examples for these "great" decision? So far much everything he has done is a complete disaster or just flat out idiotic.
      - jakeogh 7y ago
        Economey Supereme court Changes to tax policy Breaking the CIA's toys in the middle east Throwing the TPP in the garbage Right to Try I could go on. What specific outcome are you unhappy about?
    - PenguinCoder 7y ago
      If you're basing your opinion of president material on ' never held a real job' and 'lies to the top'; why are you happy that Trump is president? He clearly fits those criteria as well, if not more than the others you listed.
  - imesh 7y ago
    Who is prepared to be a great president and have we ever had a great president? I honestly don't know. I'm only 30, and I haven't seen one in my lifetime.
    - magduf 7y ago
      By most accounts, and historians generally agree, George Washington really was a great President.
    - existencebox 7y ago
      You have no idea how much you nerd-sniped me with that question. (I spend far too much of my free time playing at historian, and am far too fond of Ken Burns to not give my thoughts, but take this as a caveat that I am no true expert.) Unfortunately, I think, no one who would be able to be elected president nowadays. Consider some of the "Greatest" presidents of our history, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, all were very human/flawed individuals with powerful detractors, (Lincoln less in his personal life and more in the role he had to play, and I omit Washington because he's effectively immortalized beyond personhood as our 'Cincinnatus') and I have my doubts as to whether any could receive sufficient support in an era where any possible slight or discontinuity (or attachment to principle over pragmatism) is a critical weakness. I realize I may have slightly dodged your real question, I'll admit I don't have a great answer to that even in the absence of the pathology I describe above. There's been no one in politics (perhaps due to the above) who even seems to have the cult-of-personality of e.g. Obama, let alone with the principles and power to carry out something positive with it. Not too many years ago I would have said McCain, but we all know how that went. (That said I've been _rather impressed_ with how Pelosi has wrangled the herd of cats that is the democratic party , but that's only one small piece of the picture and may show how far my bar has dropped.) To be precise since I answered the second half of your question implicitly, I certainly think we've had great presidents, see my list above for an incomplete summary. There have certainly been individuals who managed immense feats of good in the presidency despite such adversity that we have not seen in our lifetimes. However, as I was lamenting to my wife the other day, I've seen far less of this as time has gone on, (in local government _as much as_ in federal govt.) and as I suggest above, I'm not sure how we come back from that without systemic change.
magduf 7y ago
I normally try to refrain from too-direct political discussion here too, but I feel I need to comment on this: Stuff like this is why we have Trump as President: because the Democrats somehow just can't keep from shooting themselves in the foot, over and over and over again. Seriously, how out of touch do you have to be to make a comment like Biden's? And don't forget, this is a guy who voted for the Iraq War in 2003, so somehow he has a problem with game developers "teaching how to kill", but he has no problem with actually sending young people overseas to kill real people because of some obviously made-up BS about WMD. What a hypocrite. My prediction: this year, the Democrats will nominate yet another lousy candidate, who will go on to lose the general election to Trump. Then we'll have a huge recession. China will eventually take over as the sole superpower.
- ggggtez 7y ago
  I'd be careful making blanket statements like that. If you think Biden is unique because the article might give that impression... You'd better look again. In my estimate, nearly every politician in the House and Senate publicly blame video games for murderers. Here are a few Republicans saying the same thing a few months ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/05/kevin-mccarthy-dan-patrick-video-games-el-paso-shooting/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2...
  - magduf 7y ago
    It's not surprising that Republicans would say similar things. Republicans don't have that much appeal to young voters anyway (at least not ones into video games), nor are they looking for that vote. The Dems are the ones trying to court the younger voters.
theFeller00 7y ago
Who is that? The socialist who has been in government for 40 years but is all of a sudden ready to make the changes he hasn't been able to make for 40 years? That guy? Nah, I'll vote for Trump again.
fulafel 7y ago
I think we shouldn't badmouth all of politics because of these kinds of subject matter. The front page has lots of politics in the form of issues with major societal implications and it's good that there's lively public discourse about them. Spreading the politics = bad meme just makes the public disengage from the good part of politics (active civic discourse), whereas the ultimate thinking behind the meme usually is that professional party-politicians in high standing shouldn't be listened to too much. So it's kind of self-defeating.

foxyv 7y ago

I kinda like Andrew Yang. He seems to be proposing actual solutions to our economy rather than just papering over everything. Then again I haven't heard much from his detractors yet. https://www.yang2020.com/ https://www.yang2020.com/

desireco42 7y ago
IMHO (after all this HN), Yang is great but not president material, he would be great if future president would include him as VP or some other leading role.
- wdn 7y ago
  You telling me Biden, warren and Sanders are president material? 2 of them never held a real job. One of them lie to the top. I am so happy that Trump is president. He is making correct business decisions not political correct decision.
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  - scient 7y ago
    Got any examples for these "great" decision? So far much everything he has done is a complete disaster or just flat out idiotic.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      Economey Supereme court Changes to tax policy Breaking the CIA's toys in the middle east Throwing the TPP in the garbage Right to Try I could go on. What specific outcome are you unhappy about?
  - PenguinCoder 7y ago
    If you're basing your opinion of president material on ' never held a real job' and 'lies to the top'; why are you happy that Trump is president? He clearly fits those criteria as well, if not more than the others you listed.
- imesh 7y ago
  Who is prepared to be a great president and have we ever had a great president? I honestly don't know. I'm only 30, and I haven't seen one in my lifetime.
  - magduf 7y ago
    By most accounts, and historians generally agree, George Washington really was a great President.
  - existencebox 7y ago
    You have no idea how much you nerd-sniped me with that question. (I spend far too much of my free time playing at historian, and am far too fond of Ken Burns to not give my thoughts, but take this as a caveat that I am no true expert.) Unfortunately, I think, no one who would be able to be elected president nowadays. Consider some of the "Greatest" presidents of our history, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, all were very human/flawed individuals with powerful detractors, (Lincoln less in his personal life and more in the role he had to play, and I omit Washington because he's effectively immortalized beyond personhood as our 'Cincinnatus') and I have my doubts as to whether any could receive sufficient support in an era where any possible slight or discontinuity (or attachment to principle over pragmatism) is a critical weakness. I realize I may have slightly dodged your real question, I'll admit I don't have a great answer to that even in the absence of the pathology I describe above. There's been no one in politics (perhaps due to the above) who even seems to have the cult-of-personality of e.g. Obama, let alone with the principles and power to carry out something positive with it. Not too many years ago I would have said McCain, but we all know how that went. (That said I've been _rather impressed_ with how Pelosi has wrangled the herd of cats that is the democratic party , but that's only one small piece of the picture and may show how far my bar has dropped.) To be precise since I answered the second half of your question implicitly, I certainly think we've had great presidents, see my list above for an incomplete summary. There have certainly been individuals who managed immense feats of good in the presidency despite such adversity that we have not seen in our lifetimes. However, as I was lamenting to my wife the other day, I've seen far less of this as time has gone on, (in local government _as much as_ in federal govt.) and as I suggest above, I'm not sure how we come back from that without systemic change.

magduf 7y ago

I normally try to refrain from too-direct political discussion here too, but I feel I need to comment on this: Stuff like this is why we have Trump as President: because the Democrats somehow just can't keep from shooting themselves in the foot, over and over and over again. Seriously, how out of touch do you have to be to make a comment like Biden's? And don't forget, this is a guy who voted for the Iraq War in 2003, so somehow he has a problem with game developers "teaching how to kill", but he has no problem with actually sending young people overseas to kill real people because of some obviously made-up BS about WMD. What a hypocrite. My prediction: this year, the Democrats will nominate yet another lousy candidate, who will go on to lose the general election to Trump. Then we'll have a huge recession. China will eventually take over as the sole superpower.

ggggtez 7y ago
I'd be careful making blanket statements like that. If you think Biden is unique because the article might give that impression... You'd better look again. In my estimate, nearly every politician in the House and Senate publicly blame video games for murderers. Here are a few Republicans saying the same thing a few months ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/05/kevin-mccarthy-dan-patrick-video-games-el-paso-shooting/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2...
- magduf 7y ago
  It's not surprising that Republicans would say similar things. Republicans don't have that much appeal to young voters anyway (at least not ones into video games), nor are they looking for that vote. The Dems are the ones trying to court the younger voters.

theFeller00 7y ago

Who is that? The socialist who has been in government for 40 years but is all of a sudden ready to make the changes he hasn't been able to make for 40 years? That guy? Nah, I'll vote for Trump again.

fulafel 7y ago

I think we shouldn't badmouth all of politics because of these kinds of subject matter. The front page has lots of politics in the form of issues with major societal implications and it's good that there's lively public discourse about them. Spreading the politics = bad meme just makes the public disengage from the good part of politics (active civic discourse), whereas the ultimate thinking behind the meme usually is that professional party-politicians in high standing shouldn't be listened to too much. So it's kind of self-defeating.