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Some alternatives: * https://keepass.info/ * https://bitwarden.com/ * https://1password.com/

bilal4hmed 7y ago
+1 for Bitwarden
scandox 7y ago
Yeah they'll never go down. Why don't these systems support local storage as well? Is there greater security risk in syncing to a local device? Edit: I do not mean browser localStorage
- awinder 7y ago
  1Password does support local storage, cloud is used for syncing to local storage so obviously in case of an outage you wouldn’t be able to sync updates. But you would be able to access and modify locally and then it would push when things came back online.
  - yreg 7y ago
    It also lets you sync via alternative services like Dropbox/Mega.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  Bitwarden is open source for both its clients and its server. I haven't tried it but it appears you can set it up for yourself at home and not use their cloud.
- tortasaur 7y ago
  Keepass does support storing the database file locally. It is the default way it works.
  - ed312 7y ago
    A local-only storage solution with your own syncing is by far the best way. Also, storing low security passwords (eg Netflix) in chrome / iOS keychain seems like a pretty safe trade off to me.
    - prophesi 7y ago
      I'm still having issues convincing friends/family that the initial friction of a password manager and replacing all of your reused passwords is worth it at all. Security is a battle of convenience, and we still haven't struck gold for the layman to have decent enough security hygiene.
- trey-jones 7y ago
  My understanding of LastPass (I am a user) is that you _do_ in fact have offline access to your vault. Your Master Password is also the encryption key. Did I miss something?
- matsz 7y ago
  Bitwarden can be hosted locally.
- CtrlAltT5wpm 7y ago
  I was a paid user of LastPass for about a decade. I don't mind a subscription-based model, especially if there's cloud-syncing involved (I've evaluated the amount of risk I'm comfortable with, and cloud syncing is fine for my use case). Part of the benefit for a paid account is the ability to access your passwords when there's a network outage. However, in the year before I left LP, they went down three times, at most for about 4 hours. Each time, I could not access my local vault, not through the browser extension, not through the Android app, and certainly not through the website; no matter what I did, it was nothing but errors, and their support was useless. It just would not work. That was enough to spook me and get me off their service. I was complacent, thinking that no matter what, I could always see my vault, regardless of network status, until it actually hit the fan. I'm currently with 1Password, which is quite slick (their change on 2FA is what actually got me to give them a try), but I've killed network access to my devices and was able to access my vaults. Just in case, though, I have KeePassXC as well. You never know.
kalleboo 7y ago
I evaluated a bunch of team password managers last year. Lastpass was really buggy and had a confusing UI. Dashlane also had odd limitations. 1password had a good UI but the "master key" system is difficult for users to use. It was also more expensive. I ended up recommending Bitwarden. Surprisingly the open source option had a great UI and great clients, with the bonus of being open source on both ends.
- charles_f 7y ago
  > 1password had a good UI but the "master key" system is difficult for users to use. It was also more expensive. Unsurprising, and at the same time it makes 1password's security scheme much more bullet proof. You need that piece of information to identify the client, and even 1password doesn't have it, which means that when inevitably one of these cloud services gets attacked with success, it will less likely be them. Plus they can't see your stuff, that's a plus. Security is not free.
- MonadIsPronad 7y ago
  I think I may have read your review (did you make an article online?) and I'm now happily using Bitwarden. I just signed up for premium, not because I want the features, but because I want to support what they're doing.
- docdeek 7y ago
  It’s surprising to me that the “master key” system on 1Password proved difficult for your users. For me, this is one of the simplest things about it: you remember one password that unlocks everything else. Am I talking about the same thing as you when I call this password the “master key”? I feel like I must be as this is flat-out the thing that makes 1Password easy to use.
  - oarsinsync 7y ago
    There are four bits of information you need with 1Password teams 1. The team address <team>.1password.com 2. Your login name (email usually) 3. Your 'secret key' 4. Your 'master password' I suspect GP is talking about item #3 being the point of confusion.
quindecagon 7y ago
I'd recomend the more modern looking and cross-platform by design, KeePassXC, over the original KeePass. https://keepassxc.org/ https://keepassxc.org/
peterwwillis 7y ago
Keepass is very difficult to use in an automated way and the open-source clients are buggy. I had to search for hours for an ancient Perl script which amazingly works with both 1.x and 2.x Keepass databases (still the only library I've found that does so), then write a custom app to convert the output into something else.
- Evidlo 7y ago
  I help maintain a library called pykeepass which you might be interested in.

+1 for Bitwarden

Yeah they'll never go down. Why don't these systems support local storage as well? Is there greater security risk in syncing to a local device? Edit: I do not mean browser localStorage

awinder 7y ago
1Password does support local storage, cloud is used for syncing to local storage so obviously in case of an outage you wouldn’t be able to sync updates. But you would be able to access and modify locally and then it would push when things came back online.
- yreg 7y ago
  It also lets you sync via alternative services like Dropbox/Mega.
Mountain_Skies 7y ago
Bitwarden is open source for both its clients and its server. I haven't tried it but it appears you can set it up for yourself at home and not use their cloud.
tortasaur 7y ago
Keepass does support storing the database file locally. It is the default way it works.
- ed312 7y ago
  A local-only storage solution with your own syncing is by far the best way. Also, storing low security passwords (eg Netflix) in chrome / iOS keychain seems like a pretty safe trade off to me.
  - prophesi 7y ago
    I'm still having issues convincing friends/family that the initial friction of a password manager and replacing all of your reused passwords is worth it at all. Security is a battle of convenience, and we still haven't struck gold for the layman to have decent enough security hygiene.
trey-jones 7y ago
My understanding of LastPass (I am a user) is that you _do_ in fact have offline access to your vault. Your Master Password is also the encryption key. Did I miss something?
matsz 7y ago
Bitwarden can be hosted locally.
CtrlAltT5wpm 7y ago
I was a paid user of LastPass for about a decade. I don't mind a subscription-based model, especially if there's cloud-syncing involved (I've evaluated the amount of risk I'm comfortable with, and cloud syncing is fine for my use case). Part of the benefit for a paid account is the ability to access your passwords when there's a network outage. However, in the year before I left LP, they went down three times, at most for about 4 hours. Each time, I could not access my local vault, not through the browser extension, not through the Android app, and certainly not through the website; no matter what I did, it was nothing but errors, and their support was useless. It just would not work. That was enough to spook me and get me off their service. I was complacent, thinking that no matter what, I could always see my vault, regardless of network status, until it actually hit the fan. I'm currently with 1Password, which is quite slick (their change on 2FA is what actually got me to give them a try), but I've killed network access to my devices and was able to access my vaults. Just in case, though, I have KeePassXC as well. You never know.

kalleboo 7y ago

I evaluated a bunch of team password managers last year. Lastpass was really buggy and had a confusing UI. Dashlane also had odd limitations. 1password had a good UI but the "master key" system is difficult for users to use. It was also more expensive. I ended up recommending Bitwarden. Surprisingly the open source option had a great UI and great clients, with the bonus of being open source on both ends.

charles_f 7y ago
> 1password had a good UI but the "master key" system is difficult for users to use. It was also more expensive. Unsurprising, and at the same time it makes 1password's security scheme much more bullet proof. You need that piece of information to identify the client, and even 1password doesn't have it, which means that when inevitably one of these cloud services gets attacked with success, it will less likely be them. Plus they can't see your stuff, that's a plus. Security is not free.
MonadIsPronad 7y ago
I think I may have read your review (did you make an article online?) and I'm now happily using Bitwarden. I just signed up for premium, not because I want the features, but because I want to support what they're doing.
docdeek 7y ago
It’s surprising to me that the “master key” system on 1Password proved difficult for your users. For me, this is one of the simplest things about it: you remember one password that unlocks everything else. Am I talking about the same thing as you when I call this password the “master key”? I feel like I must be as this is flat-out the thing that makes 1Password easy to use.
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  There are four bits of information you need with 1Password teams 1. The team address <team>.1password.com 2. Your login name (email usually) 3. Your 'secret key' 4. Your 'master password' I suspect GP is talking about item #3 being the point of confusion.

quindecagon 7y ago

I'd recomend the more modern looking and cross-platform by design, KeePassXC, over the original KeePass. https://keepassxc.org/ https://keepassxc.org/

peterwwillis 7y ago

Keepass is very difficult to use in an automated way and the open-source clients are buggy. I had to search for hours for an ancient Perl script which amazingly works with both 1.x and 2.x Keepass databases (still the only library I've found that does so), then write a custom app to convert the output into something else.

Evidlo 7y ago
I help maintain a library called pykeepass which you might be interested in.