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I have posted this in another thread, but I am posting it again because more people need to be aware of Netgear's practices: I recently bought a couple of Netg

by shock 7y ago

I have posted this in another thread, but I am posting it again because more people need to be aware of Netgear's practices: I recently bought a couple of Netgear Managed Switches (for Business)⁰ and in their datasheet they list "Local-only management" as a feature. Only after they arrived we discovered that you only get limited functionality in the Local-only management mode, you have to register the switches to your Netgear Cloud account to get access to the full functionality. Reading up on it, this was achieved only after a community outcry because in the prior firmware versions the switch would have to connect to the Netgear Cloud on every bootup. Needless to say I would not have bought the swiches if I had knew I needed to register them to Netgear Cloud to have access to the full functionality specified in the data sheet. If I had bought them as a consumer, not as a business, I would have returned them immediately. Netgear are now on our purchasing blacklist. ⓪ - the switches are Netgear GS-108Tv3

mdszy 7y ago
>Netgear Managed Switches (for Business)⁰ >⓪ - the switches are Netgear GS-108Tv3 are we not allowed to use any sane method of doing footnotes? Who does this? Why would you even use footnotes in internet comments other than to specifically screw over anyone who uses a screen reader?
- bmn__ 7y ago
  > are we not allowed to use any sane method of doing footnotes? There is no markup on HN for footnotes. https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc > Who does this? Blame the people running the site, this is just a small inconvenience compared with other lack of features. > screw over anyone who uses a screen reader? As GP's footnote is plain text – not markup – there is no problem with screen readers (or any user-agent, really). Curious why you would think otherwise.
  - mdszy 7y ago
    Because it interrupts the flow completely when they could have just written the model number along inside of the already-used parens like a normal human being. With a screen reader, it'll get to the superscript 0, read that out, and then won't be able to read the actual footnote content until the very end. Can't jump around like our eyes can. "⓪" isn't even read by a screen reader (at least not narrator on windows 10). Footnotes in internet comments are useless and unnecessary anyway.
jsjohnst 7y ago
Interesting. I’ve got a bunch of (older) Netgear GS-108s and it’s definitely entirely locally managed. Good to know I shouldn’t buy any newer ones, thanks for sharing!

by shock 7y ago

mdszy 7y ago

>Netgear Managed Switches (for Business)⁰ >⓪ - the switches are Netgear GS-108Tv3 are we not allowed to use any sane method of doing footnotes? Who does this? Why would you even use footnotes in internet comments other than to specifically screw over anyone who uses a screen reader?

bmn__ 7y ago
> are we not allowed to use any sane method of doing footnotes? There is no markup on HN for footnotes. https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc > Who does this? Blame the people running the site, this is just a small inconvenience compared with other lack of features. > screw over anyone who uses a screen reader? As GP's footnote is plain text – not markup – there is no problem with screen readers (or any user-agent, really). Curious why you would think otherwise.
- mdszy 7y ago
  Because it interrupts the flow completely when they could have just written the model number along inside of the already-used parens like a normal human being. With a screen reader, it'll get to the superscript 0, read that out, and then won't be able to read the actual footnote content until the very end. Can't jump around like our eyes can. "⓪" isn't even read by a screen reader (at least not narrator on windows 10). Footnotes in internet comments are useless and unnecessary anyway.

jsjohnst 7y ago

Interesting. I’ve got a bunch of (older) Netgear GS-108s and it’s definitely entirely locally managed. Good to know I shouldn’t buy any newer ones, thanks for sharing!