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Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks in

Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks in the present not just in the distant past and anyone who says otherwise is sticking their heads in the sand.

syshum 7y ago
>>Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] 1. Women with FT jobs on Avg work 7.7 hours per day, and put in 2.6 hour per day on household chores or 10.3 hrs total per day 2. Men with FT jobs on Avg work 8.3 hrs, and put in 2.1 hours per week on household chores or 10.4 hrs per total per day there is some data to show that heterosexual households Women primary work in the home (cleaning, cooking etc) and men primary work outside or on the home (lawn work, garbage, home maintenance, etc) So unless you are going to cherry pick which "household and childcare related tasks" to specifically exclude the "household and childcare related tasks" men generally do there is no way to conclude that "women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks" [1]https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  > Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. Yes, men work longer hours than women. But even in households where the woman is the primary earner, she takes on the majority of household chores, on average [1]. And this has been seen in multiple studies. See the "Work and Leisure for Dual-Income and Single-Income Couples" table here[2]. In single income families, a women earner spends 23 hours on household chores, compared to her (unemployed) parter, who spends ~29 hours on household chores. He gets around twice as much leisure time as she does. Reverse the genders, and an employed man spends 14 hours on housework, while the unemployed woman will spend 45 hours on housework. No matter who is employed, the mother always spends more time on housework than on leisure time, and the father always spends more time on leisure than on housework. That's true whether the family is dual income, the mother is the sole earner, the father is the sole earner, or neither parent works. In all cases, the mother spends more time on housework than leisure, and the father spends more time on leisure than housework. [1]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 [2]: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in...
  - syshum 7y ago
    >>>You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem when they compare stay at home mom households (which make up the vast majority of the Single Income House holds) to Stay at home Dad homes which are the rarest or rare.
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      > as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem The pew social trends survey mentions that the number of stay at home dads is ~1/5 the number of moms. Smaller, but not so small as to make the conclusions invalid. You asked for studies and statistics and I provided. Please don't continue to move the goalposts. > It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works Such as? I didn't see anyone doing that here. I saw you misunderstanding and attacking a claim, and then being unwilling to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence you requested. It's not easy to try and discuss these topics with you.
  - CuriouslyC 7y ago
    Speaking from personal experience, women often want things "just so" and men tend not to give a shit. So either the woman does it, or nags the man to do it, or gives up on it being done. None of those options is great, but the woman doing the work she desires done herself is the most fair and least damaging to the relationship.
- djcapelis 7y ago
  Even the data you decided to pick for this conversation supports the opposite of your conclusion: Household chores: --On an average day, 84 percent of women and 69 percent of men spent some time doing household activities, such as housework, cooking, lawn care, or household management. (See table 1.) --On the days they did household activities, women spent an average of 2.6 hours on these activities, while men spent 2.0 hours. (See table 1.) Women: 156 min * .86 = 134 min / day Men: 120 min * .69 = 83 min / day Women dating men, on average have a share of household tasks is 161% of their partner’s. Childcare: --On an average day, among adults living in households with children under age 6, women spent 1.1 hours providing physical care (such as bathing or feeding a child) to household children; by contrast, men spent 26 minutes providing physical care. (See table 9.) Women: 66 min / day Men: 26 min / day Women dating men, on average have a share of childcare tasks is 253% of their partner’s. This is without even needing to dig into the crosstabs, on the data source you picked. Which supports the both widely accepted and studied conclusion that household and especially childcare tasks among heterosexual couples are absolutely not evenly distributed. As for more studies, feel free to, I dunno... pick any of them? https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=household+childcare+tasks+gender&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hous... I really shouldn’t have to do the math for you on this. Your point is about as well supported by the data as climate denial and at some point you lose the right to ask other people to prove this to you and just need to go read basically anything on this subject.
  - syshum 7y ago
    Your claim was not "women do more housework" your claim was "women do disproportionate amount" of housework That to me would be Income Producing work + Housework. So based on this response you believe that Housework should be a 50/50 Split even if Income-producing work is not? Meaning in a Single Income household the person making the income should put in an equal amount of household work to the person not bringing in income to support the household?
    - kqr 7y ago
      It sounds like you missed the context of the discussion. The starting point was "women cannot take on more income producing work because they are all tied up in housework."

syshum 7y ago

>>Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] 1. Women with FT jobs on Avg work 7.7 hours per day, and put in 2.6 hour per day on household chores or 10.3 hrs total per day 2. Men with FT jobs on Avg work 8.3 hrs, and put in 2.1 hours per week on household chores or 10.4 hrs per total per day there is some data to show that heterosexual households Women primary work in the home (cleaning, cooking etc) and men primary work outside or on the home (lawn work, garbage, home maintenance, etc) So unless you are going to cherry pick which "household and childcare related tasks" to specifically exclude the "household and childcare related tasks" men generally do there is no way to conclude that "women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks" [1]https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm

joshuamorton 7y ago
> Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. Yes, men work longer hours than women. But even in households where the woman is the primary earner, she takes on the majority of household chores, on average [1]. And this has been seen in multiple studies. See the "Work and Leisure for Dual-Income and Single-Income Couples" table here[2]. In single income families, a women earner spends 23 hours on household chores, compared to her (unemployed) parter, who spends ~29 hours on household chores. He gets around twice as much leisure time as she does. Reverse the genders, and an employed man spends 14 hours on housework, while the unemployed woman will spend 45 hours on housework. No matter who is employed, the mother always spends more time on housework than on leisure time, and the father always spends more time on leisure than on housework. That's true whether the family is dual income, the mother is the sole earner, the father is the sole earner, or neither parent works. In all cases, the mother spends more time on housework than leisure, and the father spends more time on leisure than housework. [1]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 [2]: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in...
- syshum 7y ago
  >>>You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem when they compare stay at home mom households (which make up the vast majority of the Single Income House holds) to Stay at home Dad homes which are the rarest or rare.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    > as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem The pew social trends survey mentions that the number of stay at home dads is ~1/5 the number of moms. Smaller, but not so small as to make the conclusions invalid. You asked for studies and statistics and I provided. Please don't continue to move the goalposts. > It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works Such as? I didn't see anyone doing that here. I saw you misunderstanding and attacking a claim, and then being unwilling to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence you requested. It's not easy to try and discuss these topics with you.
- CuriouslyC 7y ago
  Speaking from personal experience, women often want things "just so" and men tend not to give a shit. So either the woman does it, or nags the man to do it, or gives up on it being done. None of those options is great, but the woman doing the work she desires done herself is the most fair and least damaging to the relationship.
djcapelis 7y ago
Even the data you decided to pick for this conversation supports the opposite of your conclusion: Household chores: --On an average day, 84 percent of women and 69 percent of men spent some time doing household activities, such as housework, cooking, lawn care, or household management. (See table 1.) --On the days they did household activities, women spent an average of 2.6 hours on these activities, while men spent 2.0 hours. (See table 1.) Women: 156 min * .86 = 134 min / day Men: 120 min * .69 = 83 min / day Women dating men, on average have a share of household tasks is 161% of their partner’s. Childcare: --On an average day, among adults living in households with children under age 6, women spent 1.1 hours providing physical care (such as bathing or feeding a child) to household children; by contrast, men spent 26 minutes providing physical care. (See table 9.) Women: 66 min / day Men: 26 min / day Women dating men, on average have a share of childcare tasks is 253% of their partner’s. This is without even needing to dig into the crosstabs, on the data source you picked. Which supports the both widely accepted and studied conclusion that household and especially childcare tasks among heterosexual couples are absolutely not evenly distributed. As for more studies, feel free to, I dunno... pick any of them? https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=household+childcare+tasks+gender&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hous... I really shouldn’t have to do the math for you on this. Your point is about as well supported by the data as climate denial and at some point you lose the right to ask other people to prove this to you and just need to go read basically anything on this subject.
- syshum 7y ago
  Your claim was not "women do more housework" your claim was "women do disproportionate amount" of housework That to me would be Income Producing work + Housework. So based on this response you believe that Housework should be a 50/50 Split even if Income-producing work is not? Meaning in a Single Income household the person making the income should put in an equal amount of household work to the person not bringing in income to support the household?
  - kqr 7y ago
    It sounds like you missed the context of the discussion. The starting point was "women cannot take on more income producing work because they are all tied up in housework."