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Sign all the things! But for real. I had an idea a while back: with all the photo/audio/video manipulation and ‘deep fakes’, there should be a certification a

Sign all the things! But for real. I had an idea a while back: with all the photo/audio/video manipulation and ‘deep fakes’, there should be a certification available that accompanies (very expensive) cameras/recorders with protected firmware that signs each and every raw frame/recording, so the original is always available upon request from any type of inquiry or investigation.

byteshock 7y ago
Sounds like an invasion of privacy. Your personal pictures and videos shouldn’t have a unique digital signature so the police or a bad actor can identify which device it was taken on. This seems like a good idea at first but what about whistleblowers or informants?
- AndrewDucker 7y ago
  Wouldn't have to tie it back to you. It would be enough to say "Canon affirms this photo was taken directly on a model X". Which would then tell you that this was the unedited photo and could be trusted.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > Sounds like an invasion of privacy. Your personal pictures and videos shouldn’t have a unique digital signature so the police or a bad actor can identify which device it was taken on. You've misunderstood the point. The goal is not to identify users. The goal is to sign messages to ensure they were actually outputted by a service.
- bzzzt 7y ago
  You mean like how it's done with printers? https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-d...
feanaro 7y ago
This is not the solution for this essentially unsolvable problem. It offers a false sense of assurance since there will undoubtedly be ways of extracting the signature apparatus and then using it to produce fake signatures. It also creates a dangerous opportunity for all kinds of authoritarian actors to inject tracking and identifying information in digital artefacts. It's much less painful to abandon the idea that photographs, videos and sound can be ultimately trusted.
mattkrause 7y ago
Nikon had something like this (the "Image Authentication System", which used a builtin key to sign the images) but somebody managed to pull the signing key off the camera: https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2011/04/nikon-image-authentication-system-compromised/ https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2011/04/nikon-image-authenticatio... Same thing happened with Canon's implementation the year before.
- nofunsir 7y ago
  Thanks! I figured it had already been tried. I wonder if it can still be done.

byteshock 7y ago

Sounds like an invasion of privacy. Your personal pictures and videos shouldn’t have a unique digital signature so the police or a bad actor can identify which device it was taken on. This seems like a good idea at first but what about whistleblowers or informants?

AndrewDucker 7y ago
Wouldn't have to tie it back to you. It would be enough to say "Canon affirms this photo was taken directly on a model X". Which would then tell you that this was the unedited photo and could be trusted.
rumanator 7y ago
> Sounds like an invasion of privacy. Your personal pictures and videos shouldn’t have a unique digital signature so the police or a bad actor can identify which device it was taken on. You've misunderstood the point. The goal is not to identify users. The goal is to sign messages to ensure they were actually outputted by a service.
bzzzt 7y ago
You mean like how it's done with printers? https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-d...

feanaro 7y ago

This is not the solution for this essentially unsolvable problem. It offers a false sense of assurance since there will undoubtedly be ways of extracting the signature apparatus and then using it to produce fake signatures. It also creates a dangerous opportunity for all kinds of authoritarian actors to inject tracking and identifying information in digital artefacts. It's much less painful to abandon the idea that photographs, videos and sound can be ultimately trusted.

mattkrause 7y ago

Nikon had something like this (the "Image Authentication System", which used a builtin key to sign the images) but somebody managed to pull the signing key off the camera: https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2011/04/nikon-image-authentication-system-compromised/ https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2011/04/nikon-image-authenticatio... Same thing happened with Canon's implementation the year before.

nofunsir 7y ago
Thanks! I figured it had already been tried. I wonder if it can still be done.