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A History of the Wolf

48 points by Petiver 7y ago

belinder 7y ago
Didn't know wolves were behind so many origin stories for different peoples around the world Only thing missing in the article is some hard numbers, like how many there used to be and there are now
jonplackett 7y ago
Fascinating read. It shows how effective the biblical rebrand of wolves was that I didn't know wolves rarely ever kill people. I presumed they'd be really dangerous for people.
- frank2 7y ago
  Wikipedia: “In France, historical records compiled by rural historian Jean-Marc Moriceau indicate that during the period 1362–1918, nearly 7,600 people were killed by wolves”.
  - thrower123 7y ago
    14 people a year. Doubtless more people were killed by falling roofing tiles while walking down the street over those centuries.
    - jonplackett 7y ago
      I guess 1 a month isn’t nothing but it is not much. Especially during a period where I’m sure people died pretty easily from a lot of other causes! Is it just me who thought wolves were dangerous for people, or did you too until you looked it up?
  - brenden2 7y ago
    To put things in perspective, death by shark attack is about 6 per year globally, since 1958. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack
- onychomys 7y ago
  The number of people verified to have been killed by (non-rabid, non-domesticated) wolves in North America since 1900 is just two, both of which have come in the last 15 years. There are some other cases from the 1920s that might have been wolves but since reporting was a little more lax back then, we'll never know for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America#Fatal_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_...
2Xheadpalm 7y ago
The wolf has and is still persecuted by man, mainly for perceived financial and political reasons today but the negative propaganda and irrational emotion from the middle ages and beyond still lingers in the general population... https://www.wolfawareness.org/issues https://www.wolfawareness.org/issues I live in wolf country and in the winter have seen formed packs of 15 or more wolves doing the rounds on my property. If I am out and about walking in that woodlands it is something to be aware of and like any wildlife should be treated with care and respect but moments of brief fear and potential, rare danger is not a reason to eliminate them mercilessly. This country is also ranching country and yes, every year, ranchers loose cattle to predators such as wolves, cougars and grizzly bear, our neighbors lost 1 cow and had another seriously injured from a wolf pack early this winter. I can appreciate their desire to protect their livelihoods and bovine charges but when it comes to wolves the response to these incidents, many times is motivated with extreme prejudice and their counter measure responses typically far disproportionaly outweigh the losses for a year.
- arminiusreturns 7y ago
  The thing I would say is not all reintroduction programs are the same, and just generalizing "wolves" to all of them is a mistake. I grew up in a reintro area and the changes have not been for the better, but I sat down and read the scientific paper used as the justification and ours was shitty science compared to, say Yellowstones reintro program.
  - js2 7y ago
    The red wolf reintroduction in eastern NC was not popular among land owners. The population has declined from more than 100 in 2012 to fewer than 14: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150318-red-wolves-north-carolina-conservation-reintroduction-science/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150318-red-w... https://apnews.com/d8a127176390cecf79b7d2b3b8893046 https://apnews.com/d8a127176390cecf79b7d2b3b8893046
- intrepidhero 7y ago
  I agree with you that modern outrage about wolf reintroduction is probably misplaced but I'd be hesitant about dismissing historical reactions. If you're a subsistence farmer (of which there were many in the middle ages) losing a cow a year might mean starvation. And I'd wager there were more wolves around back then. Eradication was a short sited policy, but maybe not irrational.
hsitz 7y ago
For anyone interested in wolves, or who enjoyed the History Today article, there's a talk on youtube by Nick Jans about a wolf in Alaska. Jans wrote a book called "A Wolf Named Romeo". Romeo was a large, black, lone wolf that for some reason started (limited) socializing with people and their dogs, mostly during winters in Juneau at Mendenhal Glacier, where area people went for recreation. Nick Jans' talk touches on many of the issues described in the History Today article. Romeo the wolf was eventually killed by hunters, and the town erected a statue of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szhc2wEKEJE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szhc2wEKEJE Some scenes of Romeo are here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98D23Eb9Ow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98D23Eb9Ow

48 points by Petiver 7y ago

Didn't know wolves were behind so many origin stories for different peoples around the world Only thing missing in the article is some hard numbers, like how many there used to be and there are now

jonplackett 7y ago

Fascinating read. It shows how effective the biblical rebrand of wolves was that I didn't know wolves rarely ever kill people. I presumed they'd be really dangerous for people.

frank2 7y ago
Wikipedia: “In France, historical records compiled by rural historian Jean-Marc Moriceau indicate that during the period 1362–1918, nearly 7,600 people were killed by wolves”.
- thrower123 7y ago
  14 people a year. Doubtless more people were killed by falling roofing tiles while walking down the street over those centuries.
  - jonplackett 7y ago
    I guess 1 a month isn’t nothing but it is not much. Especially during a period where I’m sure people died pretty easily from a lot of other causes! Is it just me who thought wolves were dangerous for people, or did you too until you looked it up?
- brenden2 7y ago
  To put things in perspective, death by shark attack is about 6 per year globally, since 1958. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_attack
onychomys 7y ago
The number of people verified to have been killed by (non-rabid, non-domesticated) wolves in North America since 1900 is just two, both of which have come in the last 15 years. There are some other cases from the 1920s that might have been wolves but since reporting was a little more lax back then, we'll never know for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America#Fatal_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_...

2Xheadpalm 7y ago

The wolf has and is still persecuted by man, mainly for perceived financial and political reasons today but the negative propaganda and irrational emotion from the middle ages and beyond still lingers in the general population... https://www.wolfawareness.org/issues https://www.wolfawareness.org/issues I live in wolf country and in the winter have seen formed packs of 15 or more wolves doing the rounds on my property. If I am out and about walking in that woodlands it is something to be aware of and like any wildlife should be treated with care and respect but moments of brief fear and potential, rare danger is not a reason to eliminate them mercilessly. This country is also ranching country and yes, every year, ranchers loose cattle to predators such as wolves, cougars and grizzly bear, our neighbors lost 1 cow and had another seriously injured from a wolf pack early this winter. I can appreciate their desire to protect their livelihoods and bovine charges but when it comes to wolves the response to these incidents, many times is motivated with extreme prejudice and their counter measure responses typically far disproportionaly outweigh the losses for a year.

arminiusreturns 7y ago
The thing I would say is not all reintroduction programs are the same, and just generalizing "wolves" to all of them is a mistake. I grew up in a reintro area and the changes have not been for the better, but I sat down and read the scientific paper used as the justification and ours was shitty science compared to, say Yellowstones reintro program.
- js2 7y ago
  The red wolf reintroduction in eastern NC was not popular among land owners. The population has declined from more than 100 in 2012 to fewer than 14: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150318-red-wolves-north-carolina-conservation-reintroduction-science/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150318-red-w... https://apnews.com/d8a127176390cecf79b7d2b3b8893046 https://apnews.com/d8a127176390cecf79b7d2b3b8893046
intrepidhero 7y ago
I agree with you that modern outrage about wolf reintroduction is probably misplaced but I'd be hesitant about dismissing historical reactions. If you're a subsistence farmer (of which there were many in the middle ages) losing a cow a year might mean starvation. And I'd wager there were more wolves around back then. Eradication was a short sited policy, but maybe not irrational.

hsitz 7y ago

For anyone interested in wolves, or who enjoyed the History Today article, there's a talk on youtube by Nick Jans about a wolf in Alaska. Jans wrote a book called "A Wolf Named Romeo". Romeo was a large, black, lone wolf that for some reason started (limited) socializing with people and their dogs, mostly during winters in Juneau at Mendenhal Glacier, where area people went for recreation. Nick Jans' talk touches on many of the issues described in the History Today article. Romeo the wolf was eventually killed by hunters, and the town erected a statue of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szhc2wEKEJE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szhc2wEKEJE Some scenes of Romeo are here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98D23Eb9Ow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98D23Eb9Ow