3 ms·
For me personally, the phrase "anti-gay group" muddies the waters because although Salvation Army (1) does (or did) have some anti-gay policies, and (2) is a "g
by _jasper 7y ago
For me personally, the phrase "anti-gay group" muddies the waters because although Salvation Army (1) does (or did) have some anti-gay policies, and (2) is a "group", its main purpose is to be a food or shelter charity; not to pursue the disenfranchisement of gays through say, political compaigning.
To illustrate, I might refer to an organization under religion X as an "anti-women religious group" because perhaps religion X had some policy on women's activites that I believed were sexist; then for me "anti-women religious group" would be a technically correct phrase in that X is "anti-women" and "a religious group", but the phrasing would probably be objectionable to practitioners of the religion who don't see those particular policies as fundamental to their religion, and perhaps didn't even consider the policies sexist in the first place.
In general, I don't think I often see this loose use of terminology applied to other cases; like I don't think people call Nike a pro-child-labor company, although if that were the topic of discussion I might say Nike uses child labor. To me it's about avoiding ambiguity.
- all_blue_chucks 7y agoThere's no reason to try to make this complicated. You either treat gay people with equality or you don't. If you don't treat them as equals you are anti-gay. If your primary goal is to harm gays you are a hate group. There is no ambiguity here.
- _jasper 7y agoI think there’s plenty of nuance here. Taking your position consistently, would you be comfortable referring to any christian X as “anti-gay X” or any muslim Y as “anti-women Y”? I think the label would be out of place in most cases, and needlessly divisive.
- all_blue_chucks 7y ago> would you be comfortable referring to any christian X as “anti-gay X” Of course not! There are many Christian groups that treat women and gays with equality. The Christian groups that treat gays as lesser people are absolutely anti-gay, though. They may not be hate grouped but they are absolutely anti-gay.