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I can't agree more and very strange your comment is downvoted. Right now the EV market I think is open to electric cars for people like us: physical gauges, ju

by mojuba 7y ago

I can't agree more and very strange your comment is downvoted. Right now the EV market I think is open to electric cars for people like us: physical gauges, just the bare minimum for driving (I'd include ABS for safety and cruise control for some minimal comfort), slick interior with a subtle vintage touch maybe. No autopilot, no Netflix for you. Oh and physical keys. I'm constatnly thinking about this, but unfortunately starting a car company seems to be almost as difficult as going to Mars. But who knows, maybe some day.

ColanR 7y ago
> starting a car company seems to be almost as difficult as going to Mars And yet think of all the economic benefit that would come with starting that new company. I don't know what you're thinking of as the difficulties , but my mind immediately went to the intense regulation involved. Too bad it isn't easier.
- mojuba 7y ago
  It's the initial investment, too big to even start thinking about it. Also I presume to improve your chances you need some serious names in your team. Probably not the "former Ferrari/Porsche product designer" caliber but something close.
  - ColanR 7y ago
    Idk. You could probably get pretty far just starting with hand made custom cars. 5 guys, 4 welding machines and an electrical engineering degree could probably make a few in their first year to just get started.
allovernow 7y ago
I agree with what you're saying, but on a purely personal note, I just couldn't see myself enjoying an electric car - even knowing that a Tesla absolutely destroys anything I've ever driven performance wise (until the motors overheat or the batteries die). Few things in life compare to manually inserting a key, commanding the starter, hearing and feeling the (preferably V>=8) roar to life, and listening to the purrs and growls and roars of the steel steed that becomes an extension of yourself as you glide across pavement or dirt at inhuman speeds. Not everyone appreciates it - and that's totally OK! But a part of me will die the day they inevitably ban manually driven cars and/or internal combustion engines. ICE vehicles really do have characteristics that subjectively make them feel like living, fire breathing pets. Robots are cool and technically marvelous, but there will always be something irreplaceably special about a 2000-4000 pound device that has a soul.
- mojuba 7y ago
  Look, ICEs will eventually die unless a new type of fuel is found for them (none on the horizon so far). Which means the vibration of the car that's not even moving will go away for good, and we'll all probably forget about it. However, the manual part. Nobody said you should control the light bulbs in your house with your mobile phone, there are still physical switches which are alive and thriving. They are simple, they don't need a WiFi connection and don't require your email address and other personal data to control the lights. They just work. I don't believe much in the "software-ization" and IoT-zation of things around us, apart from some obviously useful cases like your home stereo that plays music from your phone. So on cars. I believe the industry or some part of it will take a step back from "software-ization" and simplify the vehicles a bit. There will be cars with (optional) physical keys, gauges and controls. There will be software that will help to make driving safer, which is undeniably important, but at the same time it will let you control the car the same way as the light switch on the wall. I see the demand for it and I just can't stop obsessively thinking about it. I wonder if there's anyone here reading this thinking along the same lines?
beamatronic 7y ago
I’d also like to see a minimal, raw, stripped down EV, which still has a good range.

by mojuba 7y ago

ColanR 7y ago

> starting a car company seems to be almost as difficult as going to Mars And yet think of all the economic benefit that would come with starting that new company. I don't know what you're thinking of as the difficulties , but my mind immediately went to the intense regulation involved. Too bad it isn't easier.

mojuba 7y ago
It's the initial investment, too big to even start thinking about it. Also I presume to improve your chances you need some serious names in your team. Probably not the "former Ferrari/Porsche product designer" caliber but something close.
- ColanR 7y ago
  Idk. You could probably get pretty far just starting with hand made custom cars. 5 guys, 4 welding machines and an electrical engineering degree could probably make a few in their first year to just get started.

allovernow 7y ago

I agree with what you're saying, but on a purely personal note, I just couldn't see myself enjoying an electric car - even knowing that a Tesla absolutely destroys anything I've ever driven performance wise (until the motors overheat or the batteries die). Few things in life compare to manually inserting a key, commanding the starter, hearing and feeling the (preferably V>=8) roar to life, and listening to the purrs and growls and roars of the steel steed that becomes an extension of yourself as you glide across pavement or dirt at inhuman speeds. Not everyone appreciates it - and that's totally OK! But a part of me will die the day they inevitably ban manually driven cars and/or internal combustion engines. ICE vehicles really do have characteristics that subjectively make them feel like living, fire breathing pets. Robots are cool and technically marvelous, but there will always be something irreplaceably special about a 2000-4000 pound device that has a soul.

mojuba 7y ago
Look, ICEs will eventually die unless a new type of fuel is found for them (none on the horizon so far). Which means the vibration of the car that's not even moving will go away for good, and we'll all probably forget about it. However, the manual part. Nobody said you should control the light bulbs in your house with your mobile phone, there are still physical switches which are alive and thriving. They are simple, they don't need a WiFi connection and don't require your email address and other personal data to control the lights. They just work. I don't believe much in the "software-ization" and IoT-zation of things around us, apart from some obviously useful cases like your home stereo that plays music from your phone. So on cars. I believe the industry or some part of it will take a step back from "software-ization" and simplify the vehicles a bit. There will be cars with (optional) physical keys, gauges and controls. There will be software that will help to make driving safer, which is undeniably important, but at the same time it will let you control the car the same way as the light switch on the wall. I see the demand for it and I just can't stop obsessively thinking about it. I wonder if there's anyone here reading this thinking along the same lines?

beamatronic 7y ago

I’d also like to see a minimal, raw, stripped down EV, which still has a good range.