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This argument is about that you have to make concessions - tradeoffs. You have a choice to not use the autonomous car, to not use the apple watch, to choose a

by aantix 7y ago

This argument is about that you have to make concessions - tradeoffs. You have a choice to not use the autonomous car, to not use the apple watch, to choose a privacy-conscious internet carrier.

kohtatsu 7y ago
Did you read the comment? The problem is self-driving vehicles implemented with fleet data that vacuums up everything will spy on everyone, not just the driver. They need to be implemented with on-board redaction. Otherwise there is no choice for anyone, the companies or the ruling party can do facial or gait recognition on pedestrians and other drivers, and scrape license plates of of all parked and driving cars from the data stored in the cloud. With just Lidar I imagine this is less of a problem, but at least pedestrians in that case will still need to be redacted for gait recognition. My first comment wasn't about your regard to personal privacy, it was with regards to everyone's. One person's data is mostly worthless; everyone's is priceless.
kohtatsu 7y ago
Also FWIW Apple has a good track record with privacy, it's all opt-in. Edit: Health data is also end-to-end encrypted (accessible by your devices only, Apple servers don't have keys, if you forget your passcode you lose the data); https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202303
ozim 7y ago
Real world trade offs please... If there are only autonomous cars that track your position how are you going to make trade off? Right now I don't have Facebook but no one in my family or friends is contacting me. Why? Because I don't have Facebook. This is my trade off. Real trade off would be if I could select different provider and still be in contact with my family and friends. Right now it is monopoly degrading my quality of life. If I would have different options that I could for example pay for but they would not use my data as tracking that would be different. If there would be way to pick your autonomous car provider by price/privacy it can be trade off. If it is one option that you can use or not use it is not about trade off. I am not native English speaker but trade off for me is when you have multiple options to choose. No that you have all or nothing....

by aantix 7y ago

This argument is about that you have to make concessions - tradeoffs. You have a choice to not use the autonomous car, to not use the apple watch, to choose a privacy-conscious internet carrier.

kohtatsu 7y ago

Did you read the comment? The problem is self-driving vehicles implemented with fleet data that vacuums up everything will spy on everyone, not just the driver. They need to be implemented with on-board redaction. Otherwise there is no choice for anyone, the companies or the ruling party can do facial or gait recognition on pedestrians and other drivers, and scrape license plates of of all parked and driving cars from the data stored in the cloud. With just Lidar I imagine this is less of a problem, but at least pedestrians in that case will still need to be redacted for gait recognition. My first comment wasn't about your regard to personal privacy, it was with regards to everyone's. One person's data is mostly worthless; everyone's is priceless.

kohtatsu 7y ago

Also FWIW Apple has a good track record with privacy, it's all opt-in. Edit: Health data is also end-to-end encrypted (accessible by your devices only, Apple servers don't have keys, if you forget your passcode you lose the data); https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202303

ozim 7y ago

Real world trade offs please... If there are only autonomous cars that track your position how are you going to make trade off? Right now I don't have Facebook but no one in my family or friends is contacting me. Why? Because I don't have Facebook. This is my trade off. Real trade off would be if I could select different provider and still be in contact with my family and friends. Right now it is monopoly degrading my quality of life. If I would have different options that I could for example pay for but they would not use my data as tracking that would be different. If there would be way to pick your autonomous car provider by price/privacy it can be trade off. If it is one option that you can use or not use it is not about trade off. I am not native English speaker but trade off for me is when you have multiple options to choose. No that you have all or nothing....