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"In 1996, (~7years), the governments of the U.S. and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "... the Unite

"In 1996, (~7years), the governments of the U.S. and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "... the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident ..."[16] As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 There's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qatUWwIeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qatUWwIeg

Paradigma11 7y ago
But the US admitted within a day that it was one of their ships that shot down the plane. Compare that to next day of the recent crash when an iranian official posted on the next day that it was scientifically impossible to have been an iranian missile. But at least they think they have arrested the person who posted the video showing the crash and making the cause obvious. "On 14 January it was announced that Iranian authorities had arrested the person who had published a video of the aircraft being shot down." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51114945 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51114945
- AsyncAwait 7y ago
  Except the U.S. never formally apologized, which you conveniently glance over. Iran did. The background is also important, which is an illegal U.S. assassination of a top Iranian general. It is true that some U.S. officials admitted the mistake quickly, however the official position of the U.S. government was defiant for 7 years. The official position of the Iranian government was apologetic within 72 hours and cooperative with Ukraine even faster. That's despite the fact that the U.S. homeland wasn't threatened or encircled by Iran, whereas the U.S. constantly maneuvers around Iranian borders and the tense situation came about because of the assassination of Qasem Soleimani by the U.S., while on an officially accredited diplomatic mission(!) I don't agree with arresting the person who posted the video for sure, but neither do I agree with the torture of Chelsea Manning for exposing U.S. war crimes, prosecution of WikiLeaks, Snowden, treatment of African-Americans by law enforcement, violent treatment of Standing Rock protesters etc. We could go on forever. The point is when you have the leader of a world superpower like the U.S. saying that he'll never apologize for the United States of America, "no matter what the facts are", when none of U.S. presidents have been prosecuted for war crimes, when the indiscriminate use of devastating sanctions, including on medicine, leads to devastating civilian outcomes, when the U.S. uncritically lets Israel carve progressively more and more of the West Bank, when you have the U.S. President threatening Europe and openly admitting to stealing Syrian oil, then maybe the U.S. does not have any moral superiority to lecture others. And let me be clear, I don't want to see the U.S replaced by say China either, I want it to be counterbalanced, so that no outrageous actions on the international stage can be taken by either party. I'd love to see the EU be its own player as well.

Paradigma11 7y ago

But the US admitted within a day that it was one of their ships that shot down the plane. Compare that to next day of the recent crash when an iranian official posted on the next day that it was scientifically impossible to have been an iranian missile. But at least they think they have arrested the person who posted the video showing the crash and making the cause obvious. "On 14 January it was announced that Iranian authorities had arrested the person who had published a video of the aircraft being shot down." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51114945 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51114945

AsyncAwait 7y ago
Except the U.S. never formally apologized, which you conveniently glance over. Iran did. The background is also important, which is an illegal U.S. assassination of a top Iranian general. It is true that some U.S. officials admitted the mistake quickly, however the official position of the U.S. government was defiant for 7 years. The official position of the Iranian government was apologetic within 72 hours and cooperative with Ukraine even faster. That's despite the fact that the U.S. homeland wasn't threatened or encircled by Iran, whereas the U.S. constantly maneuvers around Iranian borders and the tense situation came about because of the assassination of Qasem Soleimani by the U.S., while on an officially accredited diplomatic mission(!) I don't agree with arresting the person who posted the video for sure, but neither do I agree with the torture of Chelsea Manning for exposing U.S. war crimes, prosecution of WikiLeaks, Snowden, treatment of African-Americans by law enforcement, violent treatment of Standing Rock protesters etc. We could go on forever. The point is when you have the leader of a world superpower like the U.S. saying that he'll never apologize for the United States of America, "no matter what the facts are", when none of U.S. presidents have been prosecuted for war crimes, when the indiscriminate use of devastating sanctions, including on medicine, leads to devastating civilian outcomes, when the U.S. uncritically lets Israel carve progressively more and more of the West Bank, when you have the U.S. President threatening Europe and openly admitting to stealing Syrian oil, then maybe the U.S. does not have any moral superiority to lecture others. And let me be clear, I don't want to see the U.S replaced by say China either, I want it to be counterbalanced, so that no outrageous actions on the international stage can be taken by either party. I'd love to see the EU be its own player as well.