I don' know how bad it is for Lisp, but I get the argument and I think its valid. I've seen to much bad non-idiomatic and homegrown code to know this is a big p

I don' know how bad it is for Lisp, but I get the argument and I think its valid. I've seen to much bad non-idiomatic and homegrown code to know this is a big poblem. A big part of the value of using e.g. Spring Framework is that it is standardized, easy to understand and devoid of a lone hacker's "brilliant" ideas. I think the part about the toolchain/dependencies still stands.