>Compared to VW and Dieselgate, they’re saintly. Your baseline for being a "good" corporate citizen is "better than VW"? That's a low bar. The fact that you

>Compared to VW and Dieselgate, they’re saintly. Your baseline for being a "good" corporate citizen is "better than VW"? That's a low bar. The fact that you can point to 2 or 3 different analogues for corporate misdemeanor proves my point. Tesla is one company. >But Tesla using tax subsidies in Nevada and not meeting Buffalo inventive targets? It's not about "using subsidies". It's about making promises tied to those subsidies and not fulfilling them. Tesla is in tax arrears in Nevada. How is that possible for such a successful company? That money pays for services the company and employees uses. Is that something a "good corporate citizen" would allow to happen? What about violating labour laws? Securities fraud? SWATing a whistle blower? I will ask you this plainly: why are Tesla getting loans from a government running internment camps, and telling us "China is the future"? Musk wouldn't sit on a commitee with Trump, but will take his business to China? Is this really something a "good corporate citizen" would do? This is an obvious line in the sand to me and many other people. Again, I make no claims that Tesla are necessarily better or worse than the next company. but you referred to them as "good corporate citizens". Attitudes like "you can do anything you want as long as it's in the name of being green" are going to seriously harm the climate change conversation in the long run.