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And those people can come to the office. But it should really not be a requirement, and work should be structured in such a way as to not penalize people who ar

by m0zg 7y ago

And those people can come to the office. But it should really not be a requirement, and work should be structured in such a way as to not penalize people who are remote: around written communication, with infrequent teleconferencing.

stkdump 7y ago
I think the problem is that as soon as everyone who has the opportunity to leave the office does so, the training effect for new developers is gone. It might be better for you and your personal performance, but is it better for the company overall? That might not be so clear cut, and one of the reasons why especially big tech is so hesitant -- as opposed to companies that rely on the perk of remote work to be able to attract talent or pay less.
rocqua 7y ago
So all employers should reorganize to meet your preferences to be left alone? It might work great for you, it would probably help your productivity. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have downsides for many others!
- m0zg 7y ago
  This is a good example of the "so" tell for cognitive dissonance, whereby the sufferer tries to put words in my mouth and starts their diatribe with a "so". It's a free country, "all employers" can do as they please. I just won't work for them if they are not in close proximity, and very few of them are. I'm not going to "move" for a job that I can do from anywhere in the world.
  - majos 7y ago
    The bit about “so” seems wrong. You said > it should really not be a requirement, and work should be structured in such a way as to not penalize people who are remote: around written communication, with infrequent teleconferencing which is reasonably summarized as > all employers should reorganize to meet your preferences to be left alone
cinquemb 7y ago
I prefer working remote too and always have (and have done so for that past 4-5 years, I'm 28 years old now), but I don't expect the larger employment environment to conform to my wishes… actually I rather prefer the opposite happens because it makes finding interesting remote work opportunities easier (because I think that a lot of places are starting to have "remote work possible" but mainly its just a lot of noise in the signal compared to places where its the norm).
titanomachy 7y ago
It could work. I think the best model is when a company/team adopts a remote-first mindset, then the people who prefer working that way can be productive and happy while people who prefer working in person can work together in an office. My company is pretty well set-up for remote (lots of communication over email and chat, video in every meeting) but I still feel like I miss a lot when I'm not there in person.

by m0zg 7y ago

stkdump 7y ago

I think the problem is that as soon as everyone who has the opportunity to leave the office does so, the training effect for new developers is gone. It might be better for you and your personal performance, but is it better for the company overall? That might not be so clear cut, and one of the reasons why especially big tech is so hesitant -- as opposed to companies that rely on the perk of remote work to be able to attract talent or pay less.

rocqua 7y ago

So all employers should reorganize to meet your preferences to be left alone? It might work great for you, it would probably help your productivity. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have downsides for many others!

m0zg 7y ago
This is a good example of the "so" tell for cognitive dissonance, whereby the sufferer tries to put words in my mouth and starts their diatribe with a "so". It's a free country, "all employers" can do as they please. I just won't work for them if they are not in close proximity, and very few of them are. I'm not going to "move" for a job that I can do from anywhere in the world.
- majos 7y ago
  The bit about “so” seems wrong. You said > it should really not be a requirement, and work should be structured in such a way as to not penalize people who are remote: around written communication, with infrequent teleconferencing which is reasonably summarized as > all employers should reorganize to meet your preferences to be left alone

cinquemb 7y ago

I prefer working remote too and always have (and have done so for that past 4-5 years, I'm 28 years old now), but I don't expect the larger employment environment to conform to my wishes… actually I rather prefer the opposite happens because it makes finding interesting remote work opportunities easier (because I think that a lot of places are starting to have "remote work possible" but mainly its just a lot of noise in the signal compared to places where its the norm).

titanomachy 7y ago

It could work. I think the best model is when a company/team adopts a remote-first mindset, then the people who prefer working that way can be productive and happy while people who prefer working in person can work together in an office. My company is pretty well set-up for remote (lots of communication over email and chat, video in every meeting) but I still feel like I miss a lot when I'm not there in person.