It's not necessarily that they beat lisp at its own game. I still think the tight integration story of lisp is unmatched nearly anywhere else, but, when viewed

It's not necessarily that they beat lisp at its own game. I still think the tight integration story of lisp is unmatched nearly anywhere else, but, when viewed holistically, lisp's advantages have become less compelling over time for people who have already written software outside of the ecosystem. It suffers from a lot of the same problems as smalltalk.