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> a small group of people who are strangely very friendly to Russia on all other matters. Can you give actual examples of this friendliness? I see it cited ver

by Udik 7y ago

> a small group of people who are strangely very friendly to Russia on all other matters. Can you give actual examples of this friendliness? I see it cited very often but I don't know any concrete example. I know Trump has imposed new sanctions on Russia last September, that is sanctioning European companies for the Russia pipeline, and that he's doing anything that he can to destabilise Iran, which is supported by Russia. So it doesn't seem that friendly to me.

thrower123 7y ago
It's not possible because it is a bit of mass propaganda, from people who haven't yet realized the Cold War was decided thirty years ago and still see a KGB agent under their bed and in every dark closet.
- wavefunction 7y ago
  That's why you post under a throwaway account.
  - axguscbklp 7y ago
    The poster you replied to has a point, though. Trump certainly does seem to have many shady connections to powerful Russian figures, but the Trump administration's Russia policy is almost identical to the Obama administration's.
wavefunction 7y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-oleg-deripaska-russia-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-ole... Maybe you should have asked for 100, or 1000. I can probably come close to 100 though.
- Udik 7y ago
  Ok, you could have come up with 100 examples. But the only one you give me is one from 2018, where Trump lifted sanctions on a Russian oligarch's companies. But Trump had imposed the sanctions himself some months before, he actually left the sanctions in place on the oligarch's assets and lifted those to his companies after he reduced his stakes in them. PolitiFact explains well the context in this article: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan/15/mark-warner/trump-wants-lift-sanctions-related-russian-oligarc/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan... "most experts we spoke to said this is a case of the Trump administration’s clumsiness, not coziness. Back in April, when the sanctions hit the aluminum giant Rusal, it sent shockwaves through the global aluminum markets. The price of aluminum soared over the following weeks. Europe, which relies heavily on Russia’s metals market, faced the prospect of plant closures and lost jobs. Even now, the European Union strongly supports the lifting of sanctions." "according to experts, the Treasury discovered it had bitten off more than it could chew. "They were done clumsily," Alina Polyakova, of the Brookings Institution, said of the sanctions. "It seems clear that the administration did not plan for the dramatic effects on aluminum markets and the knock-on effects on European businesses."" So the only example you came up with in fact says nothing of the presumed friendliness of Trump towards Russia. Next one.

by Udik 7y ago

thrower123 7y ago

It's not possible because it is a bit of mass propaganda, from people who haven't yet realized the Cold War was decided thirty years ago and still see a KGB agent under their bed and in every dark closet.

wavefunction 7y ago
That's why you post under a throwaway account.
- axguscbklp 7y ago
  The poster you replied to has a point, though. Trump certainly does seem to have many shady connections to powerful Russian figures, but the Trump administration's Russia policy is almost identical to the Obama administration's.

wavefunction 7y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-oleg-deripaska-russia-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-ole... Maybe you should have asked for 100, or 1000. I can probably come close to 100 though.

Udik 7y ago
Ok, you could have come up with 100 examples. But the only one you give me is one from 2018, where Trump lifted sanctions on a Russian oligarch's companies. But Trump had imposed the sanctions himself some months before, he actually left the sanctions in place on the oligarch's assets and lifted those to his companies after he reduced his stakes in them. PolitiFact explains well the context in this article: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan/15/mark-warner/trump-wants-lift-sanctions-related-russian-oligarc/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan... "most experts we spoke to said this is a case of the Trump administration’s clumsiness, not coziness. Back in April, when the sanctions hit the aluminum giant Rusal, it sent shockwaves through the global aluminum markets. The price of aluminum soared over the following weeks. Europe, which relies heavily on Russia’s metals market, faced the prospect of plant closures and lost jobs. Even now, the European Union strongly supports the lifting of sanctions." "according to experts, the Treasury discovered it had bitten off more than it could chew. "They were done clumsily," Alina Polyakova, of the Brookings Institution, said of the sanctions. "It seems clear that the administration did not plan for the dramatic effects on aluminum markets and the knock-on effects on European businesses."" So the only example you came up with in fact says nothing of the presumed friendliness of Trump towards Russia. Next one.