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The issue I have is cases like at my school where they basically had entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a free for all

The issue I have is cases like at my school where they basically had entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a free for all and students could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near adequate parking and not everywhere that people parked was readily obvious to be illegal. Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn away 90%, others were things like too close to a corner or hydrant by everyone was doing it those 2-3 months that you get used to it and think it's okay and when there's no other spots left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people start creating a new parking lane in the center of a full parking lot). After a few months of no enforcement and letting the students get used to parking like this, then they'll crack down with brutal enforcement. I'm talking about them sniping you a few minutes after you walk away. Every year they'd reset and do the same thing over again to get some fresh meat.

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jimktrains2 7y ago
That's not entrapment. Entrapment is the state coercing someone to do something they would not do under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally parking under normal circumstances. The rules about curbs, hydrants, driveways, &c are well known and common enough between every state that there is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal.
- somehnguy 7y ago
  Call it what you want, its still a screwed up way to run things.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >That's not entrapment. It's still highly unethical, especially when your target population is supposedly already paying tens of thousands for use of the facilities.
  - jimktrains2 7y ago
    Highly unethical to expect people to follow the law? We're not talking acts of civil disobedience against unjust laws, we're talking willful abuse of laws designed for public safety. City streets are not the campus facilities, and what of the people using public transit or other means of transportation? Should they have to pay additional on their tens of thousands to subsidize those people with cars?
    - Nasrudith 7y ago
      It is transparently using the enforcement in a predatory way. Their goal clearly isn't to keep the parking enforced or they would have done it from the start or at least after move in times. That is what is highly unethical - they deliberately let the /problem start/ for profit. They aren't the law either any more than Jimmy's Pizza place is when the call to tow a car that was abandoned for a week.
- nickthemagicman 7y ago
  A trap is something easy to get into but hard to get out of. They made the parking rules unclear and never enforced them then cracked down brutally.
  - jimktrains2 7y ago
    Which is exactly why you're able to speed with impunity, even if you receive a ticket for it? Most places do not make the rules unclear and many rules brought up in the subthread, e.g. hydrants and parking near an intersection, are well known and common among the states. Look, I'm not saying that basically giving everyone a month with no warnings and then going out in force isn't a crappy thing to do. I'm just saying that that's not entrapment, nor is an an awful thing for the police to do, even if there are nicer ways to do it, e.g. giving notices on windshields for the first week of the semester and afterwards being issuing tickets.
boublepop 7y ago
Not entrapment, just a case of administration trying to save costs by not dealing with the issue until it becomes too much and then cutting costs once it’s in control again. The argument that it’s immoral to deal with people breaking the law because their used to getting away with it is absurd. The sense of entitlement is absurd. If you park illegally you’ll get a fine, deal with it.

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jimktrains2 7y ago

That's not entrapment. Entrapment is the state coercing someone to do something they would not do under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally parking under normal circumstances. The rules about curbs, hydrants, driveways, &c are well known and common enough between every state that there is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal.

somehnguy 7y ago
Call it what you want, its still a screwed up way to run things.
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>That's not entrapment. It's still highly unethical, especially when your target population is supposedly already paying tens of thousands for use of the facilities.
- jimktrains2 7y ago
  Highly unethical to expect people to follow the law? We're not talking acts of civil disobedience against unjust laws, we're talking willful abuse of laws designed for public safety. City streets are not the campus facilities, and what of the people using public transit or other means of transportation? Should they have to pay additional on their tens of thousands to subsidize those people with cars?
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    It is transparently using the enforcement in a predatory way. Their goal clearly isn't to keep the parking enforced or they would have done it from the start or at least after move in times. That is what is highly unethical - they deliberately let the /problem start/ for profit. They aren't the law either any more than Jimmy's Pizza place is when the call to tow a car that was abandoned for a week.
nickthemagicman 7y ago
A trap is something easy to get into but hard to get out of. They made the parking rules unclear and never enforced them then cracked down brutally.
- jimktrains2 7y ago
  Which is exactly why you're able to speed with impunity, even if you receive a ticket for it? Most places do not make the rules unclear and many rules brought up in the subthread, e.g. hydrants and parking near an intersection, are well known and common among the states. Look, I'm not saying that basically giving everyone a month with no warnings and then going out in force isn't a crappy thing to do. I'm just saying that that's not entrapment, nor is an an awful thing for the police to do, even if there are nicer ways to do it, e.g. giving notices on windshields for the first week of the semester and afterwards being issuing tickets.

boublepop 7y ago

Not entrapment, just a case of administration trying to save costs by not dealing with the issue until it becomes too much and then cutting costs once it’s in control again. The argument that it’s immoral to deal with people breaking the law because their used to getting away with it is absurd. The sense of entitlement is absurd. If you park illegally you’ll get a fine, deal with it.