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Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong? An alternative headline could be something like, "Entitled College Kids Learn How To Keep Parking Like Assholes Wit

Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong? An alternative headline could be something like, "Entitled College Kids Learn How To Keep Parking Like Assholes Without Paying Fines." And it's a pyrhic victory anyway, because chances are now the cars will get one of the metal tire boots put on, or get towed. Both of which are more expensive and a bigger hassle for everybody.

Lammy 7y ago
> Both of which are more expensive and a bigger hassle for everybody. That's the point. The university was crowing about how they deployed 40000 of these things already. They wouldn't be able to tow 40000 people as easily.
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. It's not about enforcement it's ease of collecting money. Me and my wife had to fight a ticket at one point for a spot we had paid for. No ryme or reason the lot was just grabbing revenue by literally stealing from customers with small tickets that they thought would not be challenged because - you can have your license revoked for non payment of tickets - you aren't entitled to a court hearing for a parking ticket so fighting it means figuring out how to handle it yourself or hiring an attorney to fight $30 tickets. The best model for interactions in capitalism is predator prey wherein virtually no one is actually thinking of the system as a whole and sane conditions are only apparent as an emergent property of adversarial interactions.
  - closeparen 7y ago
    A system optimizing collective well-being will absolutely not make it more pleasant to park a car. It will tell you to ride the bus.
pix64 7y ago
I don't know the situation, but I could easily imagine parking violations being common where parking is inadequate. Instead of improving the situation, the school simply rakes in money.
- takk309 7y ago
  This really depends on the state. In Montana, for example, it is a legal requirement that parking is funded separate from the rest of the school. This means that no tuition can pay for new lots or enforcement. Fees gathered from normal parking rates and fines are used only to maintain and/or improve the parking.
  - as300 7y ago
    This seems like a really convenient way for schools to pass the buck on to their students, while administrative bureaucrats continue to rake salaries in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
    - cortesoft 7y ago
      This is ludicrous that you think administrative salaries are huge factors in the cost of education.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - jhloa2 7y ago
        How is is not? Many colleges now have more administration staff than education faculty... I know that at my university they constructed a massive new building to house their growing administrative staff.
        cortesoft 7y ago
        Do you have an example of where there are more administrators than educators?
        brewdad 7y ago
        Not quite 50/50 but the University of Oregon lists 2075 faculty and 1521 administrators and officers of administration. Also, 112 of those faculty are listed as retired. https://ir.uoregon.edu/overview https://ir.uoregon.edu/overview
uncletaco 7y ago
Yeah, but further down in the article it mentioned that students illegally parked junkyard cards to get booted so that all the boots would be in use when the cops found someone's actual vehicle they wouldn't have any boots left.
- kube-system 7y ago
  It seems easier just to remove the boot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrL5tqFczPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrL5tqFczPE
- dfc 7y ago
  The user on twitter that "claimed" to do that mentioned the cars only cost "20 quid." I think it's safe to say he was not a Sooner.
hanniabu 7y ago
The issue I have is cases like at my school where they basically had entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a free for all and students could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near adequate parking and not everywhere that people parked was readily obvious to be illegal. Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn away 90%, others were things like too close to a corner or hydrant by everyone was doing it those 2-3 months that you get used to it and think it's okay and when there's no other spots left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people start creating a new parking lane in the center of a full parking lot). After a few months of no enforcement and letting the students get used to parking like this, then they'll crack down with brutal enforcement. I'm talking about them sniping you a few minutes after you walk away. Every year they'd reset and do the same thing over again to get some fresh meat.
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- jimktrains2 7y ago
  That's not entrapment. Entrapment is the state coercing someone to do something they would not do under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally parking under normal circumstances. The rules about curbs, hydrants, driveways, &c are well known and common enough between every state that there is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal.
  - somehnguy 7y ago
    Call it what you want, its still a screwed up way to run things.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    >That's not entrapment. It's still highly unethical, especially when your target population is supposedly already paying tens of thousands for use of the facilities.
    - 7y ago
jccalhoun 7y ago
I hate people who don't park in a proper spot or who just leave the car in a garage in a spot next to the door all summer while they leave town/country like used to happen at my old university but I see this more as "college spends money on some high tech device that is easily circumvented and has poor security" than as college students screwing over the system.
closeparen 7y ago
Why are college kids driving in the first place? Are there not enough apartments nearby to rent a room in walking/cycling/shuttle range? Isn't that a pretty foreseeable need when choosing a site for a university? I can understand this problem if you're serving a lot of nontraditional students who already have households, but not with 18-22 year old full time students.
- analog31 7y ago
  There are both "residential" and "commuter" colleges. For instance in my locale, the Big Ten university is mostly residential for undergrads (served by large student rental neighborhoods), and the housing typically chosen by grad students has decent access to the bus service, or bike-friendly routes. There's also a community college that serves a lot of commuting students, and has none of its own housing. The regional colleges have more commuter students, since you can save a boatload of money by living at home, but also probably don't have such severe parking problems -- land is cheaper.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  This really depends on the college town. In East-Coast urban cores, most students won't be able to afford to park at any time. Everywhere else in USA, they have free parking where they stay, and also they're culturally conditioned to consider walking or biking to be beneath their station, so they'll consider free parking near their classes to be their birthright.
  - analog31 7y ago
    Which university? I've never been on a major college campus where it was even possible to park near the classroom buildings, much less practical. I live a few blocks from a Big Ten university in the Midwest. When classes are in session, the extensive rows of bike racks are stuffed full of bikes, to the point where illegal bike parking is actually a problem.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      What I described is certainly the situation at e.g. Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska, to name three "Big Ten" schools. I suppose I haven't done a complete survey, however. There are lots of other, smaller colleges where this is also true.
goatinaboat 7y ago
Entitled College Kids Learn How To Keep Parking Like Assholes Without Paying Fines." In the UK parking at NHS hospitals is a lucrative revenue stream for parking companies - they toss the NHS a few pennies to justify it but it’s exploitation of those in an emotional state, such as visiting a very sick relative, or even picking up someone to take home. Any techniques developed to defeat those parasites is a public good.

Lammy 7y ago

> Both of which are more expensive and a bigger hassle for everybody. That's the point. The university was crowing about how they deployed 40000 of these things already. They wouldn't be able to tow 40000 people as easily.

michaelmrose 7y ago
You hit the nail on the head. It's not about enforcement it's ease of collecting money. Me and my wife had to fight a ticket at one point for a spot we had paid for. No ryme or reason the lot was just grabbing revenue by literally stealing from customers with small tickets that they thought would not be challenged because - you can have your license revoked for non payment of tickets - you aren't entitled to a court hearing for a parking ticket so fighting it means figuring out how to handle it yourself or hiring an attorney to fight $30 tickets. The best model for interactions in capitalism is predator prey wherein virtually no one is actually thinking of the system as a whole and sane conditions are only apparent as an emergent property of adversarial interactions.
- closeparen 7y ago
  A system optimizing collective well-being will absolutely not make it more pleasant to park a car. It will tell you to ride the bus.

pix64 7y ago

I don't know the situation, but I could easily imagine parking violations being common where parking is inadequate. Instead of improving the situation, the school simply rakes in money.

takk309 7y ago
This really depends on the state. In Montana, for example, it is a legal requirement that parking is funded separate from the rest of the school. This means that no tuition can pay for new lots or enforcement. Fees gathered from normal parking rates and fines are used only to maintain and/or improve the parking.
- as300 7y ago
  This seems like a really convenient way for schools to pass the buck on to their students, while administrative bureaucrats continue to rake salaries in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
  - cortesoft 7y ago
    This is ludicrous that you think administrative salaries are huge factors in the cost of education.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - jhloa2 7y ago
      How is is not? Many colleges now have more administration staff than education faculty... I know that at my university they constructed a massive new building to house their growing administrative staff.
      - cortesoft 7y ago
        Do you have an example of where there are more administrators than educators?
        brewdad 7y ago
        Not quite 50/50 but the University of Oregon lists 2075 faculty and 1521 administrators and officers of administration. Also, 112 of those faculty are listed as retired. https://ir.uoregon.edu/overview https://ir.uoregon.edu/overview

uncletaco 7y ago

Yeah, but further down in the article it mentioned that students illegally parked junkyard cards to get booted so that all the boots would be in use when the cops found someone's actual vehicle they wouldn't have any boots left.

kube-system 7y ago
It seems easier just to remove the boot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrL5tqFczPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrL5tqFczPE
dfc 7y ago
The user on twitter that "claimed" to do that mentioned the cars only cost "20 quid." I think it's safe to say he was not a Sooner.

hanniabu 7y ago

The issue I have is cases like at my school where they basically had entrapment. At the start of every year there'd be like 2-3 months where it's a free for all and students could park wherever. The certainty was nowhere near adequate parking and not everywhere that people parked was readily obvious to be illegal. Some spots had the yellow on the curb worn away 90%, others were things like too close to a corner or hydrant by everyone was doing it those 2-3 months that you get used to it and think it's okay and when there's no other spots left you park in one of those spaces (kind of like when people start creating a new parking lane in the center of a full parking lot). After a few months of no enforcement and letting the students get used to parking like this, then they'll crack down with brutal enforcement. I'm talking about them sniping you a few minutes after you walk away. Every year they'd reset and do the same thing over again to get some fresh meat.

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jimktrains2 7y ago
That's not entrapment. Entrapment is the state coercing someone to do something they would not do under normal circumstances. It sounds to me as if these people are illegally parking under normal circumstances. The rules about curbs, hydrants, driveways, &c are well known and common enough between every state that there is no excuse that they weren't aware this was illegal.
- somehnguy 7y ago
  Call it what you want, its still a screwed up way to run things.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >That's not entrapment. It's still highly unethical, especially when your target population is supposedly already paying tens of thousands for use of the facilities.
  - 7y ago

jccalhoun 7y ago

I hate people who don't park in a proper spot or who just leave the car in a garage in a spot next to the door all summer while they leave town/country like used to happen at my old university but I see this more as "college spends money on some high tech device that is easily circumvented and has poor security" than as college students screwing over the system.

closeparen 7y ago

Why are college kids driving in the first place? Are there not enough apartments nearby to rent a room in walking/cycling/shuttle range? Isn't that a pretty foreseeable need when choosing a site for a university? I can understand this problem if you're serving a lot of nontraditional students who already have households, but not with 18-22 year old full time students.

analog31 7y ago
There are both "residential" and "commuter" colleges. For instance in my locale, the Big Ten university is mostly residential for undergrads (served by large student rental neighborhoods), and the housing typically chosen by grad students has decent access to the bus service, or bike-friendly routes. There's also a community college that serves a lot of commuting students, and has none of its own housing. The regional colleges have more commuter students, since you can save a boatload of money by living at home, but also probably don't have such severe parking problems -- land is cheaper.
jessaustin 7y ago
This really depends on the college town. In East-Coast urban cores, most students won't be able to afford to park at any time. Everywhere else in USA, they have free parking where they stay, and also they're culturally conditioned to consider walking or biking to be beneath their station, so they'll consider free parking near their classes to be their birthright.
- analog31 7y ago
  Which university? I've never been on a major college campus where it was even possible to park near the classroom buildings, much less practical. I live a few blocks from a Big Ten university in the Midwest. When classes are in session, the extensive rows of bike racks are stuffed full of bikes, to the point where illegal bike parking is actually a problem.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    What I described is certainly the situation at e.g. Illinois, Indiana, and Nebraska, to name three "Big Ten" schools. I suppose I haven't done a complete survey, however. There are lots of other, smaller colleges where this is also true.

goatinaboat 7y ago

Entitled College Kids Learn How To Keep Parking Like Assholes Without Paying Fines." In the UK parking at NHS hospitals is a lucrative revenue stream for parking companies - they toss the NHS a few pennies to justify it but it’s exploitation of those in an emotional state, such as visiting a very sick relative, or even picking up someone to take home. Any techniques developed to defeat those parasites is a public good.