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Tesla autopilot clips wing mirror of parked car

27 points by mjmasn 7y ago

Piskvorrr 7y ago
The mirror is one thing, but anything/anyone that considers passing distance=0 acceptable is, by definition, unfit for driving. The Tesla drove as if the black car did not exist at all, never correcting its distance from the curb (which it did for the previous car).
- mjmasn 7y ago
  It would definitely be interesting to know if the Tesla 'saw' the black car at any point (and what it was identified as), or if it just looked like another piece of tarmac and kerb. I'm still pretty skeptical we'll ever see safe full autonomous driving other than on motorways, and even then probably with some additional road infrastructure.
- duxup 7y ago
  >The Tesla drove as if the black car did not exist at all I wonder if the Tesla simply didn't think it existed.
  - Piskvorrr 7y ago
    That is my impression, too. "LIDAR pointless" in practice.
NiekvdMaas 7y ago
My experience with Tesla AP: it's great for highways, but definitely breaks down on B-roads like this. I doubt Tesla will cover this, since AP comes with a million warnings to not rely on it in such situations.
- bouke 7y ago
  The car has GPS so surely knows what road it is driving on. Why can drivers even activate AP on any road besides highways?
  - stopads 7y ago
    Because it's called "autopilot" and Tesla has already fraudulently sold millions of people on the false claim that it is an autopilot for your car. Gating or segmenting how it works exposes this falsehood immediately. We were supposed to have a million fully autonomous Tesla taxis by the end of last December, remember that nonsense claim too?
- tehlike 7y ago
  It will probably cover now, given its current publicity, and good will i am hearing from tesla often.
tibbydudeza 7y ago
BETA software in a car that can kill people ... insane.
RaceWon 7y ago
That game has been around for decades. Patrick Bedard wrote about it in CARandDRIVER magazine once, it's called Mirror Tag.
justinclift 7y ago
> I called Tesla recovery who verified that the car was safe and gave me some of the readouts that they had to confirm > what they could see. They could see that all the cameras were clear that morning and the car was not logging any faults. > They assured me they could download the data if necessary and instructed me to take it to the nearest Tesla service > centre within 5 days to get full logs extracted before doing anything else, so that the data isn't wiped. > > So I got to the service centre, but the moment I mentioned the words autopilot and collision all sympathy vanished and > she was itching to get me to f*** off. I asked about data, she said they'd have already taken what they wanted and > that there was no such thing as a 'full-download'. I asked if they'd look into it and she said probably not because I > was driving inappropriately anyway and was entirely at fault so no point asking. Seems like a clear conflict of information between what Tesla instructed vs the dealer trying to avoid data collection. Does this mean the Dealer is potentially liable if "the issue" (the crash causing bug) isn't found? eg the Dealer caused any needed "full logs" data collection to not happen, so the fault/bug wasn't able to be identified

27 points by mjmasn 7y ago

The mirror is one thing, but anything/anyone that considers passing distance=0 acceptable is, by definition, unfit for driving. The Tesla drove as if the black car did not exist at all, never correcting its distance from the curb (which it did for the previous car).

mjmasn 7y ago
It would definitely be interesting to know if the Tesla 'saw' the black car at any point (and what it was identified as), or if it just looked like another piece of tarmac and kerb. I'm still pretty skeptical we'll ever see safe full autonomous driving other than on motorways, and even then probably with some additional road infrastructure.
duxup 7y ago
>The Tesla drove as if the black car did not exist at all I wonder if the Tesla simply didn't think it existed.
- Piskvorrr 7y ago
  That is my impression, too. "LIDAR pointless" in practice.

NiekvdMaas 7y ago

My experience with Tesla AP: it's great for highways, but definitely breaks down on B-roads like this. I doubt Tesla will cover this, since AP comes with a million warnings to not rely on it in such situations.

bouke 7y ago
The car has GPS so surely knows what road it is driving on. Why can drivers even activate AP on any road besides highways?
- stopads 7y ago
  Because it's called "autopilot" and Tesla has already fraudulently sold millions of people on the false claim that it is an autopilot for your car. Gating or segmenting how it works exposes this falsehood immediately. We were supposed to have a million fully autonomous Tesla taxis by the end of last December, remember that nonsense claim too?
tehlike 7y ago
It will probably cover now, given its current publicity, and good will i am hearing from tesla often.

tibbydudeza 7y ago

BETA software in a car that can kill people ... insane.

RaceWon 7y ago

That game has been around for decades. Patrick Bedard wrote about it in CARandDRIVER magazine once, it's called Mirror Tag.

justinclift 7y ago

> I called Tesla recovery who verified that the car was safe and gave me some of the readouts that they had to confirm > what they could see. They could see that all the cameras were clear that morning and the car was not logging any faults. > They assured me they could download the data if necessary and instructed me to take it to the nearest Tesla service > centre within 5 days to get full logs extracted before doing anything else, so that the data isn't wiped. > > So I got to the service centre, but the moment I mentioned the words autopilot and collision all sympathy vanished and > she was itching to get me to f*** off. I asked about data, she said they'd have already taken what they wanted and > that there was no such thing as a 'full-download'. I asked if they'd look into it and she said probably not because I > was driving inappropriately anyway and was entirely at fault so no point asking. Seems like a clear conflict of information between what Tesla instructed vs the dealer trying to avoid data collection. Does this mean the Dealer is potentially liable if "the issue" (the crash causing bug) isn't found? eg the Dealer caused any needed "full logs" data collection to not happen, so the fault/bug wasn't able to be identified