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How would they go about doing what you suggest, and separating the good of confronting scofflaws from the bad effects of oppressing poor people?

by Kalium 7y ago

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bredren 7y ago
This is higher level than this question, but I actually think the entire individual ownership of vehicles and having them the only viable method for getting to work for many as fundamentally broken. So while I operate this tool that enforces a thing, I don't own a car myself and I honestly can't wait for some autonomous fleet-based future where parking lots are torn up and streets are wider and safer for bicycles and alternative transportation vehicles.
- angry_octet 7y ago
  Car pooling is a big win. Universities should encourage it. Primary obstacle is probably perceptions of safety.
  - megablast 7y ago
    You know how you encourage it? High price on parking, and punishing abusers.
    - angry_octet 7y ago
      Victorian thought is not dead I see. Well, instead you might incentiveise it through having car pool car parks that are closer to campus, or at least next to a well lit and preferably sheltered area. Then you could publicise the car pool scheme. You could even have a forum for finding other car poopers, and/or an app. Maybe allow people, with their consent, to be matched by approx origin/destination for easier finding. If you had a computer science or math department then I'm sure they would have people who could solve the ride matching problem.
      - st1ck 7y ago
        But GP is correct. They only missed the part where the profits from increased parking fees should be used to either lower tuition, or spent on one of your schemes or public transport infrastructure.
      - Kalium 7y ago
        Not to put too fine a point on it, but that's Uber. Which then raises the question of why there isn't public transit. Given that there often is a bus or even many buses, the question then might turn to "Why do people prefer their cars to a bus?". And now we're back at the beginning.
        angry_octet 7y ago
        It's only Uber in the apocryphal sense of opportunistic ride sharing. The reality it that most Ubers are taxis. I'm talking about people already at the departure point, where their marginal cost is like 20% more minutes/fuel, and they can save %50 of their parking and fuel. Also being able to use the HOV Lane is pretty sweet. The disconnectedness of suburbia is at the heart of this, but essentially insoluble in the short term.

How would they go about doing what you suggest, and separating the good of confronting scofflaws from the bad effects of oppressing poor people?

by Kalium 7y ago

How would they go about doing what you suggest, and separating the good of confronting scofflaws from the bad effects of oppressing poor people?

deleted 7y ago

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bredren 7y ago

This is higher level than this question, but I actually think the entire individual ownership of vehicles and having them the only viable method for getting to work for many as fundamentally broken. So while I operate this tool that enforces a thing, I don't own a car myself and I honestly can't wait for some autonomous fleet-based future where parking lots are torn up and streets are wider and safer for bicycles and alternative transportation vehicles.

angry_octet 7y ago
Car pooling is a big win. Universities should encourage it. Primary obstacle is probably perceptions of safety.
- megablast 7y ago
  You know how you encourage it? High price on parking, and punishing abusers.
  - angry_octet 7y ago
    Victorian thought is not dead I see. Well, instead you might incentiveise it through having car pool car parks that are closer to campus, or at least next to a well lit and preferably sheltered area. Then you could publicise the car pool scheme. You could even have a forum for finding other car poopers, and/or an app. Maybe allow people, with their consent, to be matched by approx origin/destination for easier finding. If you had a computer science or math department then I'm sure they would have people who could solve the ride matching problem.
    - st1ck 7y ago
      But GP is correct. They only missed the part where the profits from increased parking fees should be used to either lower tuition, or spent on one of your schemes or public transport infrastructure.
    - Kalium 7y ago
      Not to put too fine a point on it, but that's Uber. Which then raises the question of why there isn't public transit. Given that there often is a bus or even many buses, the question then might turn to "Why do people prefer their cars to a bus?". And now we're back at the beginning.
      - angry_octet 7y ago
        It's only Uber in the apocryphal sense of opportunistic ride sharing. The reality it that most Ubers are taxis. I'm talking about people already at the departure point, where their marginal cost is like 20% more minutes/fuel, and they can save %50 of their parking and fuel. Also being able to use the HOV Lane is pretty sweet. The disconnectedness of suburbia is at the heart of this, but essentially insoluble in the short term.