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> This is more and more starting to smell a bit like this is the first time in a while when somebody is actually looking whether a plane fulfills the regulation
by labcomputer 7y ago
> This is more and more starting to smell a bit like this is the first time in a while when somebody is actually looking whether a plane fulfills the regulation
Of course it is. That's the whole point of MCAS, limited pilot training, and the rest of Boeing's "strange" design decisions to make the Max seem like a minor update.
Let me state this explicitly: The 737 does not meet current FAR part 25 standards. It did meet part 25 standards at the time the type certificate was issued 50+ years ago, but the standards have changed.
So how was the Max certified? Well, the FAA awarded Boeing an "amended type certificate" (that's a term of art) for the 737 Max, which means that it is certified on the basis of being a variant of the original 737-100 that flew in 1967.
That means aircraft systems can be grandfathered in, even if they don't meet current standards. Many of the 737's systems would need to be extensively redesigned in order to pass muster for a new type certificate. Boeing did everything they could to avoid a new type certificate for the Max, so as to avoid redesigning the entire plane.
Fun fact: Every Boeing 717 still has a placard near the main front entry door that proudly announces its Douglas DC-9 type certificate (from two corporate mergers ago).
- jdc 7y agoIsn't this (grandfathering tactic) gaming the system? Like borderline fraud?
- bdavis__ 7y agofraud, maybe not. bad idea, maybe. the idea was that a lot of effort and money was spent certifying a plane, and it makes sense to allow delta changes to the design without revisiting the entire process. so a plane is in service and customers want it to fly a longer distance. the oem makes them a configuration that has more fuel tanks, and less seats. the delta change has to be evaluated against the original certification, because it is possible that meeting current rules is impossible without major rework (think how wiring is done, the kind of hydraulic fittings allowed, things that are everywhere. it allows the economic life of the design and the investment of end users (airlines) to be protected with some semblance of regulation.
- rasz 7y agoThat explains manufacturing new product in 2019 with 80286 CPU, got its certificate in the eighties, better not touch it.