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People (not on HN etc.) will happily buy plane tickets on sale that happen to be flights on the 737 MAX once it is certified again. I still think the general p

People (not on HN etc.) will happily buy plane tickets on sale that happen to be flights on the 737 MAX once it is certified again. I still think the general public trusts the certification to be done right and that the plane will only be allowed to fly when experts agree it is safe. Which is why the stink from pilots and devs with experience from building similar systems is so important.

wayoutthere 7y ago
The bigger issue are business travelers -- who contribute approx. 60% of an airline's profitability through higher ticket prices and more frequent travel. We want to get back to see our families, and we're not very price-sensitive because the company is paying. No way in hell I'm flying on a MAX any time soon.
jostmey 7y ago
People may buy discounted plane tickets but most will not trust the certification, in my opinion. I'm avoiding any new boeing planes for my next flight
matthewdgreen 7y ago
My view is that when this certification process is over, the MAX will be the only Boeing plane that's received proper review and certification.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  What if it never receives certification? What if the way they mounted those big engines on a short plane proves to be a fatal design compromise?
  - dboreham 7y ago
    Then they get used for freight and military transport and we all fly Airbus.
    - CydeWeys 7y ago
      Really? Are the regulation requirements for non-passenger-service really that much more lax? A 737 MAX crashing into a city somewhere could easily kill a lot of people in addition to the two pilots onboard.
      - dilap 7y ago
        Dunno about freight, but there are zero certifications for so-called experimental aircraft. You can slap wings on a VW bus and fly it if you want.
        CydeWeys 7y ago
        You can't sell experimental aircraft though, not commercially anyway. So you wouldn't see 737s being used for freight under this regime.
        dilap 7y ago
        Oh for sure. But if you’re worried about a random object falling on your head, it’s still a concern. But of course, practically (/statistically) speaking, you should be much more worried about rapidly-moving objects rolling over the ground.
        CydeWeys 7y ago
        We're not talking about what I'm worried about, we're talking about what the FAA and other similar airplane licensing bodies will permit, and they are not allowing the MAX to fly for any purpose right now (save the one-time ferry flight to a parking spot until the problems are fixed). These licensing bodies only do airplanes, not cars, and so the safety of cars isn't relevant to them. But yes, on a personal level, I too find it shocking how >37k people are killed in motor vehicle crashes every year, with countless more injured, and yet we're doing so little about it. There's clearly a lot of low-hanging fruit there.
        danaliv 7y ago

wayoutthere 7y ago

The bigger issue are business travelers -- who contribute approx. 60% of an airline's profitability through higher ticket prices and more frequent travel. We want to get back to see our families, and we're not very price-sensitive because the company is paying. No way in hell I'm flying on a MAX any time soon.

jostmey 7y ago

People may buy discounted plane tickets but most will not trust the certification, in my opinion. I'm avoiding any new boeing planes for my next flight

matthewdgreen 7y ago

My view is that when this certification process is over, the MAX will be the only Boeing plane that's received proper review and certification.

CydeWeys 7y ago
What if it never receives certification? What if the way they mounted those big engines on a short plane proves to be a fatal design compromise?
- dboreham 7y ago
  Then they get used for freight and military transport and we all fly Airbus.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Really? Are the regulation requirements for non-passenger-service really that much more lax? A 737 MAX crashing into a city somewhere could easily kill a lot of people in addition to the two pilots onboard.
    - dilap 7y ago
      Dunno about freight, but there are zero certifications for so-called experimental aircraft. You can slap wings on a VW bus and fly it if you want.
      - CydeWeys 7y ago
        You can't sell experimental aircraft though, not commercially anyway. So you wouldn't see 737s being used for freight under this regime.
        dilap 7y ago
        Oh for sure. But if you’re worried about a random object falling on your head, it’s still a concern. But of course, practically (/statistically) speaking, you should be much more worried about rapidly-moving objects rolling over the ground.
        CydeWeys 7y ago
        We're not talking about what I'm worried about, we're talking about what the FAA and other similar airplane licensing bodies will permit, and they are not allowing the MAX to fly for any purpose right now (save the one-time ferry flight to a parking spot until the problems are fixed). These licensing bodies only do airplanes, not cars, and so the safety of cars isn't relevant to them. But yes, on a personal level, I too find it shocking how >37k people are killed in motor vehicle crashes every year, with countless more injured, and yet we're doing so little about it. There's clearly a lot of low-hanging fruit there.
      - danaliv 7y ago