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As a non California resident I love the idea of California making itself more business unfriendly.

RangerScience 7y ago
Honestly as a California resident there are ways that I agree. Other places need to be happening, too.
raverbashing 7y ago
But while your ability to get funding is 10x if you have an office in a certain geographical area, there will still be incentives to being there. Because sure, the chances of success for your gig economy app for mimes is much greater if your developers are working in the Mission and eating avocado toast for breakfast, so here's a million dollars, go build it Yes, it is ridiculous.
andrewprock 7y ago
California has to be one of the most business friendly states in the US. It's the #1 GDP state in the use, and the #8 GDP per capita state in the US. There are certainly some aspects which are less attractive to business, but in the end, it's one of the best places for business.
- meddlepal 7y ago
  Yes, right now it is. Nothing lasts forever.
  - andrewprock 7y ago
    Too true. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
  - dmode 7y ago
    Have been hearing this for 20 years
ravenstine 7y ago
Something tells me other states won't be happy with more California expats coming to vote in their elections.
- hellofunk 7y ago
  It would be a nice side effect though!
- Mirioron 7y ago
  Makes sense though. If Californians created a mess in California then people from other states are probably suspicious of those Californians moving to their state lest they create a similar mess there.
- newguy1234 7y ago
  Unless you are a homeowner who gets to sell your real estate to them at inflated prices.
claudeganon 7y ago
I love hearing all this stuff about how California is so business unfriendly when it routinely ranks near the top for largest economies in the entire world. If anything, it’s massively underegulated when put up against to comparably-sized economies in the developed world.
- meddlepal 7y ago
  It's not business unfriendly right now and I never said anything about it being business unfriendly now. But today is not tomorrow.
crimsonalucard 7y ago
I'm a Californian. As are many on here. May I ask what is it about Californians or the state that would make you say something that is borderline insulting? May I also ask what state are you from?
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Don't take it personally, but as anecdotal evidence all the people I know believe California is dysfunctional. Most use even stronger words. You need to take a step out of the bubble and look at it to understand. Btw, half of the people I know are in US (East coast), the others in Europe, I am in Europe.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    Right, except you can't say that to the face of a Californian or on a forum where Californians are. This will inevitably be taken personally. If all Californians say that people from Texas need to leave the country that is an insult, it is personal to the state of Texas just like someone saying that he's happy for the idea that California is losing business.
- meddlepal 7y ago
  If you think that's insulting you need to grow some thicker skin. I get a giggle at Californian's persecution complex. See, that's insulting.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    I'm not sitting over here ready to kill you for saying that. (I don't care.) I'm just saying you can't say stuff like that. It's against the rules here and it's against common courtesy.
dmode 7y ago
I have been hearing how California has been business unfriendly for the last 20 years, only for our economy and job growth to crush all other states. I mean just look at VC investment and IPO creation and the last decade and decide which state creates more business. By all objective stats, California seems to be the most business friendly state
- JamesBarney 7y ago
  Do you really think California is the most business friendly state? What policies do you think make it so business friendly? Besides the weather.
  - dmode 7y ago
    Yes, a state with the best business friendly outcome and best business growth, is by definition the most business friendly. In data science and research, we believe in the concept of don't trust what they say, but look at what they do. A user behavior is far more telling, than their response to a survey. Similarly, a businesses behavior is far more reflective of business friendly than a bunch of partisan rhetoric. I strongly believe that in the knowledge economy, the traditional narrow definition of business friendliness (defined by low tax and low regulation) doesn't apply. That's why many states (e.g., Kansas) tried this tax based pull strategy which fell flat. In the 21st century, you need a more a holistic definition of business friendliness that takes into account talent as a stakeholder. Thus defining policies that make a place attractive for talent to migrate, should be part of the business friendly discussion. This will include non-competes, climate and environmental laws, labor protections, social safety nets, parental leaves, LGBT friendliness, other protections etc.
    - JamesBarney 7y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_economic_growth_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... Then it looks like West Virginia and Texas are the most business friendly states, with California coming in 29th(despite being one of the nicest places to live in the U.S.). You must know different people than me. But everyone I know who moved, moved because of a job, wanted to be in a cool city, or temperature/weather/availability of natural beauty. None moved because of non-compete laws, environmental laws, labor protections, social safety nets, parental leaves, or LGBT friendliness(I never lived anywhere especially rural).

Honestly as a California resident there are ways that I agree. Other places need to be happening, too.

But while your ability to get funding is 10x if you have an office in a certain geographical area, there will still be incentives to being there. Because sure, the chances of success for your gig economy app for mimes is much greater if your developers are working in the Mission and eating avocado toast for breakfast, so here's a million dollars, go build it Yes, it is ridiculous.

andrewprock 7y ago

California has to be one of the most business friendly states in the US. It's the #1 GDP state in the use, and the #8 GDP per capita state in the US. There are certainly some aspects which are less attractive to business, but in the end, it's one of the best places for business.

meddlepal 7y ago
Yes, right now it is. Nothing lasts forever.
- andrewprock 7y ago
  Too true. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
- dmode 7y ago
  Have been hearing this for 20 years

ravenstine 7y ago

Something tells me other states won't be happy with more California expats coming to vote in their elections.

hellofunk 7y ago
It would be a nice side effect though!
Mirioron 7y ago
Makes sense though. If Californians created a mess in California then people from other states are probably suspicious of those Californians moving to their state lest they create a similar mess there.
newguy1234 7y ago
Unless you are a homeowner who gets to sell your real estate to them at inflated prices.

claudeganon 7y ago

I love hearing all this stuff about how California is so business unfriendly when it routinely ranks near the top for largest economies in the entire world. If anything, it’s massively underegulated when put up against to comparably-sized economies in the developed world.

meddlepal 7y ago
It's not business unfriendly right now and I never said anything about it being business unfriendly now. But today is not tomorrow.

crimsonalucard 7y ago

I'm a Californian. As are many on here. May I ask what is it about Californians or the state that would make you say something that is borderline insulting? May I also ask what state are you from?

AdrianB1 7y ago
Don't take it personally, but as anecdotal evidence all the people I know believe California is dysfunctional. Most use even stronger words. You need to take a step out of the bubble and look at it to understand. Btw, half of the people I know are in US (East coast), the others in Europe, I am in Europe.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  Right, except you can't say that to the face of a Californian or on a forum where Californians are. This will inevitably be taken personally. If all Californians say that people from Texas need to leave the country that is an insult, it is personal to the state of Texas just like someone saying that he's happy for the idea that California is losing business.
meddlepal 7y ago
If you think that's insulting you need to grow some thicker skin. I get a giggle at Californian's persecution complex. See, that's insulting.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  I'm not sitting over here ready to kill you for saying that. (I don't care.) I'm just saying you can't say stuff like that. It's against the rules here and it's against common courtesy.

dmode 7y ago

I have been hearing how California has been business unfriendly for the last 20 years, only for our economy and job growth to crush all other states. I mean just look at VC investment and IPO creation and the last decade and decide which state creates more business. By all objective stats, California seems to be the most business friendly state

JamesBarney 7y ago
Do you really think California is the most business friendly state? What policies do you think make it so business friendly? Besides the weather.
- dmode 7y ago
  Yes, a state with the best business friendly outcome and best business growth, is by definition the most business friendly. In data science and research, we believe in the concept of don't trust what they say, but look at what they do. A user behavior is far more telling, than their response to a survey. Similarly, a businesses behavior is far more reflective of business friendly than a bunch of partisan rhetoric. I strongly believe that in the knowledge economy, the traditional narrow definition of business friendliness (defined by low tax and low regulation) doesn't apply. That's why many states (e.g., Kansas) tried this tax based pull strategy which fell flat. In the 21st century, you need a more a holistic definition of business friendliness that takes into account talent as a stakeholder. Thus defining policies that make a place attractive for talent to migrate, should be part of the business friendly discussion. This will include non-competes, climate and environmental laws, labor protections, social safety nets, parental leaves, LGBT friendliness, other protections etc.
  - JamesBarney 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_economic_growth_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... Then it looks like West Virginia and Texas are the most business friendly states, with California coming in 29th(despite being one of the nicest places to live in the U.S.). You must know different people than me. But everyone I know who moved, moved because of a job, wanted to be in a cool city, or temperature/weather/availability of natural beauty. None moved because of non-compete laws, environmental laws, labor protections, social safety nets, parental leaves, or LGBT friendliness(I never lived anywhere especially rural).