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How is it not one of those circumstances? Men find it extremely difficult to make a career as a nursery teacher, for example, because nursery schools and parent

by n4r9 7y ago

How is it not one of those circumstances? Men find it extremely difficult to make a career as a nursery teacher, for example, because nursery schools and parents of young children don't trust men as a nurturing caregiver. It's a clear cut example of how a sexist view of men - biologically inspired or otherwise - is harmful to men.

uncle_j 7y ago
That isn't sexism. There is a far higher likelihood that a sex offender is a man rather than a woman. While unfair it isn't unfounded fear and parents are naturally protective of their children.
- n4r9 7y ago
  That doesn't justify that sort of systematic pressure. An African American is much more likely to be a [edit: convicted] murderer than a white American, but that doesn't make it ok to cross the road whenever you see one.
  - uncle_j 7y ago
    > That doesn't justify that sort of systematic pressure. If I were a parent I would be trying to mitigate the risk to my child. As I previously stated it is unfair but not unfounded. It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact. > An African American is much more likely to be a murderer than a white American, but that doesn't make it ok to cross the road whenever you see one. * I don't live in the US, I am from the UK. The term African American doesn't really mean much here. * If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road. It is unfair. Sure. But when I was a younger man (I am almost 40 now), I used to be followed about and stopped by police and security because I was simple 1) Male 2) Under 25. People are simply mitigating the amount of risk to themselves, business and family.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
      >> It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact. As usual, it's not the facts that are in dispute here, but their interpretation.
    - daseiner1 7y ago
      Your bizarre line about sports gear is racism, or bigotry at least. Black people are mentioned so let’s talk about “louts” dressed poorly?
      - uncle_j 7y ago
        > If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road. I didn't say anything about Black men. I said if I saw young men in General that looked like louts I would be wary.
        daseiner1 7y ago
        Oh, give me a break please. You explicitly brought up young, shadily-dressed men on the street as a subpoint in the context of talking about black people.
        uncle_j 7y ago
        No you are accusing me of racism when I made no comment about race what-so-ever. This "well you are secretly talking about black men" is you inserting your own prejudices and assumptions into something I've never said. This maybe be an American thing. I am not from the US, I've never been to the US so I don't know. There are plenty of groups of yobs in the UK in poorer areas. Outside of London and the big cities these tend to be white. In my own home town (which is 99% white) there are 4 or 5 problem areas where you don't walk through at night because you get surrounded by youths. It happened to me at least once or twice when I was in my 20s and I only got left alone because one of the guys knew my brother. I get so bored of this "well you secretly meant something else because I want to label you a bad person".
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    > An African American is much more likely to be a murderer than a white American [citation needed] It is true that a black man is more likely to be prosecuted for murder but that’s a wholly different statistic.
    - n4r9 7y ago
      Fair point, but it equally applies to OP's assertion about men being more likely to be prosecuted for sex offenses.
      - uncle_j 7y ago
        It isn't my assertion. The crime statistics in both the UK and the USA back this up. It is something like 96% of all prosecutions of sexual assault are men. EDIT: In fact it is higher at least in the UK > In 2011, males accounted for the vast majority of prosecutions for sexual offences (98.2 per cent). https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/214970/sexual-offending-overview-jan-2013.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
        n4r9 7y ago
        Sorry, wasn't questioning the statement, but by definition it is something you're asserting.
        uncle_j 7y ago
        Fair enough.
    - username90 7y ago
      A majority of murders are solved so there is no room for the kind of bias you are suggesting.
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by n4r9 7y ago

uncle_j 7y ago

That isn't sexism. There is a far higher likelihood that a sex offender is a man rather than a woman. While unfair it isn't unfounded fear and parents are naturally protective of their children.

n4r9 7y ago
That doesn't justify that sort of systematic pressure. An African American is much more likely to be a [edit: convicted] murderer than a white American, but that doesn't make it ok to cross the road whenever you see one.
- uncle_j 7y ago
  > That doesn't justify that sort of systematic pressure. If I were a parent I would be trying to mitigate the risk to my child. As I previously stated it is unfair but not unfounded. It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact. > An African American is much more likely to be a murderer than a white American, but that doesn't make it ok to cross the road whenever you see one. * I don't live in the US, I am from the UK. The term African American doesn't really mean much here. * If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road. It is unfair. Sure. But when I was a younger man (I am almost 40 now), I used to be followed about and stopped by police and security because I was simple 1) Male 2) Under 25. People are simply mitigating the amount of risk to themselves, business and family.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
    >> It cannot be sexism if it is based in fact. As usual, it's not the facts that are in dispute here, but their interpretation.
  - daseiner1 7y ago
    Your bizarre line about sports gear is racism, or bigotry at least. Black people are mentioned so let’s talk about “louts” dressed poorly?
    - uncle_j 7y ago
      > If there was a young guy dressed in sports gear and appeared to be somewhat of a lout, no matter what the colour of his skin I would cross the road. I didn't say anything about Black men. I said if I saw young men in General that looked like louts I would be wary.
      - daseiner1 7y ago
        Oh, give me a break please. You explicitly brought up young, shadily-dressed men on the street as a subpoint in the context of talking about black people.
        uncle_j 7y ago
        No you are accusing me of racism when I made no comment about race what-so-ever. This "well you are secretly talking about black men" is you inserting your own prejudices and assumptions into something I've never said. This maybe be an American thing. I am not from the US, I've never been to the US so I don't know. There are plenty of groups of yobs in the UK in poorer areas. Outside of London and the big cities these tend to be white. In my own home town (which is 99% white) there are 4 or 5 problem areas where you don't walk through at night because you get surrounded by youths. It happened to me at least once or twice when I was in my 20s and I only got left alone because one of the guys knew my brother. I get so bored of this "well you secretly meant something else because I want to label you a bad person".
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  > An African American is much more likely to be a murderer than a white American [citation needed] It is true that a black man is more likely to be prosecuted for murder but that’s a wholly different statistic.
  - n4r9 7y ago
    Fair point, but it equally applies to OP's assertion about men being more likely to be prosecuted for sex offenses.
    - uncle_j 7y ago
      It isn't my assertion. The crime statistics in both the UK and the USA back this up. It is something like 96% of all prosecutions of sexual assault are men. EDIT: In fact it is higher at least in the UK > In 2011, males accounted for the vast majority of prosecutions for sexual offences (98.2 per cent). https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/214970/sexual-offending-overview-jan-2013.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
      - n4r9 7y ago
        Sorry, wasn't questioning the statement, but by definition it is something you're asserting.
        uncle_j 7y ago
        Fair enough.
  - username90 7y ago
    A majority of murders are solved so there is no room for the kind of bias you are suggesting.
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