I was right there with you until you mentioned southpaws. I really have little tolerance for that sort of degenerate character. ;) I think that a persistant d

I was right there with you until you mentioned southpaws. I really have little tolerance for that sort of degenerate character. ;) I think that a persistant dedication to improvement is the elusive common trait among "successful" people and projects. I agree with you that "code talks," but want to caution people who would be demure that tooting your own horn when you have victories can get you more pull with management when you have proposals of your own -- i've known too many programmers far better than I be ignored by mgmt because they were the "quiet type." Yes, the is a mgmt failure and I have endeavored to proactively "pull out" the opinions of such people on the teams where I have influence, but a light doesn't do as much good when it is under a bushel.