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The aesthetic preferences of crotchety neighbors should be close to the bottom of our housing priorities.

harimau777 7y ago
I don't think it's fair to assume without evidence that existing homeowner are "crotchety neighbors". It's quite possible that they have legitimate concerns that, and would support new construction if their concerns were addressed.
- davidw 7y ago
  Go to public hearings. Their demands are almost never reasonable. New housing should never add any traffic ever, and it should look fantastic (with different people differing on what this means) and it shouldn't have children because there's no way the schools could cope with the "massive increase", and it should have enough parking to handle the entire extended family at Thanksgiving (in a severely land-constrained area) and by the way it should also be actually "affordable" (far below market rates). They really don't generally argue in good faith.
  - altoidaltoid 7y ago
    I would recommend looking into Katherine Levine Einstein's research on the concept of "Neighborhood Defenders".
- grandmczeb 7y ago
  I've been to plenty of neighborhood meetings. The "issue" most of the time is a personal anxiety over change. Why should society cater to that?
  - harimau777 7y ago
    I don't necessarily disagree with you; however, strictly for sake of argument, a couple of potential reasons: - Providing a sense of security strikes me as a core role of society. - People who are afraid tend to be willing to resort to draconian measures like NIMBYism to protect themselves. - Anxiety that things could change so much that one is unable to follow their chosen way of life strikes me as a reasonable fear.
    - kelnos 7y ago
      I think you're starting to (unintentionally) argue a straw man, or at least are making assumptions that just aren't true. No one is saying that developers should just be able to build whatever they want, whenever they want, with no oversight. No one is saying that the community should completely shut up and have no input into the process. But the actual objections brought up at actual planning meetings that happen in SF are universally bonkers. It literally actually is people opposing change just for the sake of opposing change. If there is anyone at these meetings making reasonable objections, they're completely drowned out by the other 20 people shouting that the sky is falling. It's protectionism, and the "I got mine, so fuck you" mentality, plain and simple.
    - grandmczeb 7y ago
      You’re assuming the process we have resolves their feelings when it does not. If anything, we’ve normalized the idea that new development is bad and as a community member you should be fighting it, leading to more resistance than there would be otherwise.

I don't think it's fair to assume without evidence that existing homeowner are "crotchety neighbors". It's quite possible that they have legitimate concerns that, and would support new construction if their concerns were addressed.

davidw 7y ago
Go to public hearings. Their demands are almost never reasonable. New housing should never add any traffic ever, and it should look fantastic (with different people differing on what this means) and it shouldn't have children because there's no way the schools could cope with the "massive increase", and it should have enough parking to handle the entire extended family at Thanksgiving (in a severely land-constrained area) and by the way it should also be actually "affordable" (far below market rates). They really don't generally argue in good faith.
- altoidaltoid 7y ago
  I would recommend looking into Katherine Levine Einstein's research on the concept of "Neighborhood Defenders".
grandmczeb 7y ago
I've been to plenty of neighborhood meetings. The "issue" most of the time is a personal anxiety over change. Why should society cater to that?
- harimau777 7y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree with you; however, strictly for sake of argument, a couple of potential reasons: - Providing a sense of security strikes me as a core role of society. - People who are afraid tend to be willing to resort to draconian measures like NIMBYism to protect themselves. - Anxiety that things could change so much that one is unable to follow their chosen way of life strikes me as a reasonable fear.
  - kelnos 7y ago
    I think you're starting to (unintentionally) argue a straw man, or at least are making assumptions that just aren't true. No one is saying that developers should just be able to build whatever they want, whenever they want, with no oversight. No one is saying that the community should completely shut up and have no input into the process. But the actual objections brought up at actual planning meetings that happen in SF are universally bonkers. It literally actually is people opposing change just for the sake of opposing change. If there is anyone at these meetings making reasonable objections, they're completely drowned out by the other 20 people shouting that the sky is falling. It's protectionism, and the "I got mine, so fuck you" mentality, plain and simple.
  - grandmczeb 7y ago
    You’re assuming the process we have resolves their feelings when it does not. If anything, we’ve normalized the idea that new development is bad and as a community member you should be fighting it, leading to more resistance than there would be otherwise.