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No, that was not the point of my analogy. Whether it is work or not is irrelevant. When I clean my home, that is work, but nobody pays me to do it. I do the wor
by darawk 7y ago
No, that was not the point of my analogy. Whether it is work or not is irrelevant. When I clean my home, that is work, but nobody pays me to do it. I do the work because I receive the benefit of that work. People care for their children for the same reason. And many (most?) couples consider the income of the breadwinner to be shared between the two of them for precisely this reason: Because the couple values the childcare that the childcare-r provides.
I'm not arguing that childcare isn't valuable. I am arguing that it isn't valuable to any employer of the person doing the childcare, and as such, they shouldn't pay for it.
- clairity 7y agoyes, the employer is beside the point. the implicit assumption that women's work is not valuable is still (structural) sexism. that was the point. edit: e.g., > "Choosing to take on the burden of childcare is choosing to spend less time working."
- darawk 7y agoNo, the employer is not beside the point. The employer pays your salary. If you do less work, you get less salary. That isn't saying their work isn't valuable, it is saying it isn't valuable to the employer. The person who values work pays for it. In this case, it is the woman herself who values the work. She is literally choosing to pay herself, in the form of a well cared for child. In the same way that when I clean my home, I am choosing to compensate myself for the effort required to do so by having a clean home.
- clairity 7y agoand that's the systemic sexism--the systemic choices about what should, and what doesn't need, to be paid for. why don't we instead have a society where all childcare is paid labor and we just "pay ourselves" for other self-benefitting labor (growing food, for example)? (collective) assumptions like these are the systemic sexism. note that this is different from calling a specific person a sexist.
- darawk 7y ago> and that's the systemic sexism--the systemic choices about what should, and what doesn't need, to be paid for. Who is it you think ought to be paying for childcare? It's clear who pays for wage labor. The employer pays for it, because they value it. > why don't we instead have a society where all childcare is paid labor and we just "pay ourselves" for other self-benefitting labor (growing food, for example)? The answer to this question is "the entire history of economics and every lesson ever learned about how to structure effective civilizations for the entire history of humanity". I'm not really sure how else to respond to that.
- watwut 7y agoYou could have compared it to caring about elderly dad, doing volunteer work or anything else boring, unpaid but useful. Instead, you compared it to playing games which rubs people wrong.