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Here's one non-abstract idea that you can get for free, even though I might try myself as well: Give Confluence a run for its money. Confluence is so bloated

Here's one non-abstract idea that you can get for free, even though I might try myself as well: Give Confluence a run for its money. Confluence is so bloated that a clean install takes longer to start than it takes to boot my laptop and log in. Plugin SDK documentation is a mess. As far as I can see it only sells because of the brand and because of network effects. If anyone could manage to create a real wiki (remember, it means quick!) and market it they might have a chance at some nice cash that would otherwise flow to a company that keeps wasting peoples time. End of rant ;-)

drywater 7y ago
No company will buy products just because they are better. They buy the brand, the support, the advertising.
- ska 7y ago
  I would adjust this. No company will buy products just because they are a bit better. You have to completely knock that out of the park to be compelling. OTOH, I'll grant if you really fail on support etc. you will probably fizzle out anyway.
- frandroid 7y ago
  What support does anyone need to use Confluence? How many people _use_ that support?
  - dflock 7y ago
    > How many people _use_ that support? That's not really relevant to Enterprise sales.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  They'll buy it if the places the existing product is lacking pisses off the decision maker.
mosburger 7y ago
Sounds a bit like Tettra? https://tettra.com/ https://tettra.com/ Our company uses Quip for this sort of use case, but that's not really the same thing as what you're asking for.
- andygcook 7y ago
  Andy here, co-founder of Tettra. Just wanted to say thanks for the shoutout. A pleasant surprise to my day as I was reading this thread. Happy to answer anyone's questions about Tettra and the wiki space in general here.
  - eitland 7y ago
    Is it available for on site installation?
frandroid 7y ago
I've bumped into two organizations which use Confluence for developer reference rather than Github's own repo-based wikis. Why??? In one case a manager even made us move an extensive github wiki to Confluence. After that, developers stopped using the reference and that had an impact on code quality. WTF. There are already some good general purpose wiki providers out there, too!
bearer_token 7y ago
> a clean install why use on-prem, in this day and age?

drywater 7y ago

No company will buy products just because they are better. They buy the brand, the support, the advertising.

ska 7y ago
I would adjust this. No company will buy products just because they are a bit better. You have to completely knock that out of the park to be compelling. OTOH, I'll grant if you really fail on support etc. you will probably fizzle out anyway.
frandroid 7y ago
What support does anyone need to use Confluence? How many people _use_ that support?
- dflock 7y ago
  > How many people _use_ that support? That's not really relevant to Enterprise sales.
hanniabu 7y ago
They'll buy it if the places the existing product is lacking pisses off the decision maker.

mosburger 7y ago

Sounds a bit like Tettra? https://tettra.com/ https://tettra.com/ Our company uses Quip for this sort of use case, but that's not really the same thing as what you're asking for.

andygcook 7y ago
Andy here, co-founder of Tettra. Just wanted to say thanks for the shoutout. A pleasant surprise to my day as I was reading this thread. Happy to answer anyone's questions about Tettra and the wiki space in general here.
- eitland 7y ago
  Is it available for on site installation?

frandroid 7y ago

I've bumped into two organizations which use Confluence for developer reference rather than Github's own repo-based wikis. Why??? In one case a manager even made us move an extensive github wiki to Confluence. After that, developers stopped using the reference and that had an impact on code quality. WTF. There are already some good general purpose wiki providers out there, too!

bearer_token 7y ago

> a clean install why use on-prem, in this day and age?