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Well actually, I've been told that the problem of rail noise comes from improper maintenance of the rail track, not the motive nature of the cars themselves.
by inferiorhuman 7y ago
Well actually, I've been told that the problem of rail noise comes from improper maintenance of the rail track, not the motive nature of the cars themselves.
Noise on BART is due to a liberal application of NIH. BART literally reinvented the wheel – they used flat profile wheels (nobody else does this) which dramatically increased noise and wear. BART also spaced the tracks too tightly in turns further increasing noise and wear. They made their cars out of aluminum to save weight, creating a bit of an echo chamber (this got worse once they removed the carpeting). Caltrain doesn't have the luxury of lightweight rail cars since they share tracks with freight service.
BART doesn't bother greasing the tracks like nearly every other rail system (almost certainly an artifact of their homebrew train control system). Unfortunately while reinventing everything they opted against decoupling the wheels from each other (a.k.a. using a differential like a car or truck might).
Oh and let's not forget the Oakland Wye, BART's testament to noise, poor service, and political dysfunction.
Simply put BART can't really grind the rail fast enough to keep everything quiet for a meaningful period of time (if they could I assume the wear on the tracks would be astronomical). BART also needs custom rail grinders and whatnot because hey why not throw a custom track gauge into the mix.
So actually, just a change to electric cars will not maintain quiet operations
Caltrain is fairly quiet, at least inside. At the very least the electrification will certainly help with noise while stopped at a station.
I encourage anyone to go ride the high speed rails of Germany, France, Italy, China, Japan, Korea, to understand what properly maintained rail is capable of feeling like. Or even the U-bahn in Munich, Frankfurt, too.
Spain is missing from your list, they were instrumental in getting the Pendolino developed and, IIRC, have more high speed track than any other European country.
- ummonk 7y agoOh and let's not forget the Oakland Wye, BART's testament to noise, poor service, and political dysfunction. Is that worse than the SFO Wye? Samtrans had to create a bus shuttle from Millbrae to SFO because the BART service is so useless for traveling between Caltrain and SFO most times of day.
- inferiorhuman 7y agoSure. SFO is a clusterfuck of BART's own doing, BART's refusal to coordinate with other transit agencies is infuriating (especially at their much ballyhooed multimodal station). Oakland, OTOH, is an example of how little priority the Bay Area places on usable transit. That Wye wouldn't be here but for the one store owner.
- supernova87a 7y agobut for the one store owner What's the story behind that??
- inferiorhuman 7y agoI'd have to look it up to get more precise details but essentially back when BART was being built out originally they wanted to build through developed land (could've just been the underground rights). They were able to acquire everything except for one parcel. I'm hazy why eminent domain wasn't used (especially since it's been so wildly abused elsewhere in the country in the subsequent decades), but ultimately BART had to build around this property resulting in an absurdly tight curve. The store is gone but the wye remains as a bottleneck – BART trains have to slow to walking speed (ok ok about 18 mph) to go through it. Edit: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/05/07/brake-slamming-bart-turn-in-oakland-is-the-result-of-an-old-political-favor/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/05/07/brake-slamming-...