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I am disgusted by the cultural phenomenon of making sarcastic call-out comments on twitter/etc., with an eye towards building up enough community outrage to for

I am disgusted by the cultural phenomenon of making sarcastic call-out comments on twitter/etc., with an eye towards building up enough community outrage to force an issue. There are people who forget that open-source does not entitle you to anything (read the fucking license). Maintainers of large projects are not even allowed to have a bad day, to make a brusque comment, or to disagree with a majority -- without someone trying to stir up a lynch mob. It sickens me the lack of balance between the work done by the maintainers, and the expectations of random users.

quotemstr 7y ago
I too am disgusted by this phenomenon. The key thing to remember is that outrage has power only because you let it have power. Twitter snark isn't the real world. Neither is Reddit outrage. If you totally ignore these hives and their angry buzzing, you'll have greater peace of mind and lose nothing.
- lostmyoldone 7y ago
  I don't disagree, but it's also the fact that for some of us the option to learn to ignore people can be a decade long struggle, if possible at all. It's not that I don't think you get that, you probably do. I just needed to tell a bit of my perspective to someone, and that happened to be you, and the rest of HN. My brain is, well, lets say "broken" in this respect. I could have open sourced a fair bit of code over the decades, but I haven't, largely because the option of entirely ignoring people isn't really available for me at this time. While I obviously try to work to get to a point where it is an option, I don't know if I ever truly will be able to publish my own projects. While I now won't get bothered much by people calling me an idiot, or being asses in general, the self righteous expectations people apply to open source maintainers still just breaks my brain. People freely give out their labour of love and sweat, and other people have the gall to hold them to higher standards than we hold most of society? It's just too obvious. As soon as the balance of power shifts, a sizeable fraction of the population becomes the tyrants of their "peers". Can't deal with that, unfortunately.
burlesona 7y ago
I agree. I think this is an extension of the general social media mob culture that we have. I see it as one of the major problems of our day, because most people in most situations just bow to the mob, which just makes it worse. I don’t know how we solve that, either.
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dbcfd 7y ago
> Maintainers of large projects are not even allowed to have a bad day, to make a brusque comment, or to disagree with a majority -- without someone trying to stir up a lynch mob. It sickens me the lack of balance between the work done by the maintainers, and the expectations of random users. Sure they are. There's a number of projects out there with a massive caveat on the front page that says "Not for production use". They are then more than free to close issues with comments like "Hey I'm researching a new refcell implementation, thanks for finding this, but I'm more interested in speed than safety at this point." Actix did not put up a disclaimer, and in a lot of cases, either closed issues/patches without comment, or with a somewhat demeaning comment. It was not just published as a fast and safe production ready web framework, it was promoted as such, so the author should expect patches in that vein. There were multiple bad actors involved here, but it stems from a maintainer who took issue with anyone finding problems in his code.
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- coleifer 7y ago
  >t. open-source user dying to see trigger warnings on repos
- Traster 7y ago
  Sorry, it doesn’t work that way, come on github isn’t intended for production unless specified otherwise. The default assumption is “This is just some code I don’t own”. Even repos that do make some claim of support or quality should be treated with suspicion. The onus is on the person using the Open source project to do due diligence.
  - ssokolow 7y ago
    But it's not just "code on github". It has the very professional-looking https://actix.rs/ https://actix.rs/ and so on.
sicromoft 7y ago
> read the fucking license > It sickens me > I am disgusted Almost sounds like you're... outraged? Perhaps trying to build up community outrage?
- coleifer 7y ago
  >no call to action >not naming any individuals >talking about a cultural phenomenon, not a specific incident >no intent to force anyone to change

quotemstr 7y ago

I too am disgusted by this phenomenon. The key thing to remember is that outrage has power only because you let it have power. Twitter snark isn't the real world. Neither is Reddit outrage. If you totally ignore these hives and their angry buzzing, you'll have greater peace of mind and lose nothing.

lostmyoldone 7y ago
I don't disagree, but it's also the fact that for some of us the option to learn to ignore people can be a decade long struggle, if possible at all. It's not that I don't think you get that, you probably do. I just needed to tell a bit of my perspective to someone, and that happened to be you, and the rest of HN. My brain is, well, lets say "broken" in this respect. I could have open sourced a fair bit of code over the decades, but I haven't, largely because the option of entirely ignoring people isn't really available for me at this time. While I obviously try to work to get to a point where it is an option, I don't know if I ever truly will be able to publish my own projects. While I now won't get bothered much by people calling me an idiot, or being asses in general, the self righteous expectations people apply to open source maintainers still just breaks my brain. People freely give out their labour of love and sweat, and other people have the gall to hold them to higher standards than we hold most of society? It's just too obvious. As soon as the balance of power shifts, a sizeable fraction of the population becomes the tyrants of their "peers". Can't deal with that, unfortunately.

burlesona 7y ago

I agree. I think this is an extension of the general social media mob culture that we have. I see it as one of the major problems of our day, because most people in most situations just bow to the mob, which just makes it worse. I don’t know how we solve that, either.

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dbcfd 7y ago

> Maintainers of large projects are not even allowed to have a bad day, to make a brusque comment, or to disagree with a majority -- without someone trying to stir up a lynch mob. It sickens me the lack of balance between the work done by the maintainers, and the expectations of random users. Sure they are. There's a number of projects out there with a massive caveat on the front page that says "Not for production use". They are then more than free to close issues with comments like "Hey I'm researching a new refcell implementation, thanks for finding this, but I'm more interested in speed than safety at this point." Actix did not put up a disclaimer, and in a lot of cases, either closed issues/patches without comment, or with a somewhat demeaning comment. It was not just published as a fast and safe production ready web framework, it was promoted as such, so the author should expect patches in that vein. There were multiple bad actors involved here, but it stems from a maintainer who took issue with anyone finding problems in his code.

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coleifer 7y ago
>t. open-source user dying to see trigger warnings on repos
Traster 7y ago
Sorry, it doesn’t work that way, come on github isn’t intended for production unless specified otherwise. The default assumption is “This is just some code I don’t own”. Even repos that do make some claim of support or quality should be treated with suspicion. The onus is on the person using the Open source project to do due diligence.
- ssokolow 7y ago
  But it's not just "code on github". It has the very professional-looking https://actix.rs/ https://actix.rs/ and so on.

sicromoft 7y ago

> read the fucking license > It sickens me > I am disgusted Almost sounds like you're... outraged? Perhaps trying to build up community outrage?

coleifer 7y ago
>no call to action >not naming any individuals >talking about a cultural phenomenon, not a specific incident >no intent to force anyone to change