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> it is the service workers themselves who prefer working for tips. I'm sure they'd prefer a sensible wage + tips, over a sub-minimum wage supplemented by tips

> it is the service workers themselves who prefer working for tips. I'm sure they'd prefer a sensible wage + tips, over a sub-minimum wage supplemented by tips.

hurricanetc 7y ago
I’m sure most people would prefer more money. But if service workers were paid “normal” wages people wouldn’t feel guilted into tipping. Minimum wage in NYC is $15/hour and $10/hour for food service workers. Some restaurants have started paying their servers more and not allowing tips. But are the employees actually earning more? I doubt it.
- consp 7y ago
  You are already naming the problem here: > Some restaurants have started paying their servers more and not allowing tips. Service bad? -> complain to employer, employer punishes employee Service OK? -> employer pays employee for work done Service good? -> employer pays employee for work done and customer pays employee for good work (and employee shares it with all the other employees who are in the chain of service).
  - hurricanetc 7y ago
    See it’s the “service good” category that I don’t think will exist. Why would people tip when tipping is no longer socially mandated? Where people seem to disagree here is with the idea that service workers are better off with low wages + tipping than higher wages + no tipping.
    - chownie 7y ago
      In the UK wait staff are tipped based on service and are still paid at least minimum wage. Tipping is generally based on the quality of the establishment, you tip at a higher class restaurant but you don't at restaurants that are franchised or common brands.
    - Beldin 7y ago
      > See it’s the “service good” category that I don’t think will exist. That's how it typically works where i live. servers share the tips and split the haul. I don't know what social dynamics caused this, if it is a fluke or expected behaviour. So no way for me to predict how Americans would react.

> it is the service workers themselves who prefer working for tips. I'm sure they'd prefer a sensible wage + tips, over a sub-minimum wage supplemented by tips.

hurricanetc 7y ago

I’m sure most people would prefer more money. But if service workers were paid “normal” wages people wouldn’t feel guilted into tipping. Minimum wage in NYC is $15/hour and $10/hour for food service workers. Some restaurants have started paying their servers more and not allowing tips. But are the employees actually earning more? I doubt it.

consp 7y ago
You are already naming the problem here: > Some restaurants have started paying their servers more and not allowing tips. Service bad? -> complain to employer, employer punishes employee Service OK? -> employer pays employee for work done Service good? -> employer pays employee for work done and customer pays employee for good work (and employee shares it with all the other employees who are in the chain of service).
- hurricanetc 7y ago
  See it’s the “service good” category that I don’t think will exist. Why would people tip when tipping is no longer socially mandated? Where people seem to disagree here is with the idea that service workers are better off with low wages + tipping than higher wages + no tipping.
  - chownie 7y ago
    In the UK wait staff are tipped based on service and are still paid at least minimum wage. Tipping is generally based on the quality of the establishment, you tip at a higher class restaurant but you don't at restaurants that are franchised or common brands.
  - Beldin 7y ago
    > See it’s the “service good” category that I don’t think will exist. That's how it typically works where i live. servers share the tips and split the haul. I don't know what social dynamics caused this, if it is a fluke or expected behaviour. So no way for me to predict how Americans would react.