4 ms·

Response as a Brit: “yes! That’s great news. Idiot/sinister police forces have already been trialling this, fantastic. Thank god for the EU.” (Pause) “Oh shit

Response as a Brit: “yes! That’s great news. Idiot/sinister police forces have already been trialling this, fantastic. Thank god for the EU.” (Pause) “Oh shit, I forgot.”

cs02rm0 7y ago
Amusing, but also as a Brit, I still think it's good news and that it adds weight to making the same arguments in the UK.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  Except that the UK tends to like emulating the US ways rather than the EU ones.
  - buboard 7y ago
    UK ranks much worse than most countries in the world wrt privacy. ironic considering their traditional values
notkaiho 7y ago
As an EU citizen in the UK having to often go around that private development north of King's Cross that used facial recognition tech[0] I also would welcome this so that it wouldn't become normalised. Oh well. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/04/facial-recognition-row-police-gave-kings-cross-owner-images-seven-people https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/04/facial-re...
- TheFattestNinja 7y ago
  I thought it was already normalized across London, at least for the MET ? Agreed, private case is different. https://www.met.police.uk/live-facial-recognition-trial/ https://www.met.police.uk/live-facial-recognition-trial/
  - notkaiho 7y ago
    Yeah, sorry to not be specific. I meant the private use without the (assumed, possibly only theoretical) public body oversight. That Victoria greeter situation sounds terrifying
- ilikerashers 7y ago
  I have to walk through Cardinal Place in Victoria (a shopping area) to get to work and they have "greeters" with cameras strapped to their chest. Feels a bit inhuman for those poor workers and uncomfortable for people walking by.
pjc50 7y ago
I don't know how big a factor it was, but I suspect the desire of the security services to violate privacy let them to support Brexit. Certainly Richard Dearlove (former head of MI6 "C") was out there campaigning for it. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/gchq-data-collection-violated-human-rights-strasbourg-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/gchq-data-co...
- lewiscollard 7y ago
  As some that lives in a part of the country that voted for Brexit and actually knows a lot of people who voted Brexit: I can guarantee that nobody who voted for it did so because they wanted more privacy violations. Your link is inserted in such a way that it looks like it should support the assertion that the security services supported Brexit, but it does not. Do you have a source for that?
  - ben_w 7y ago
    Nobody — almost nobody — is a moustache-twirling villain who wants to eliminate privacy for its own sake. I doubt many people voted for a 10% devaluation of the pound either, yet since then I’ve seen different people looking at the same graph saying “it’s gone back up” and “going down is good”. But… …one of the big bug-bears of the newspaper and politicians whom I associate with Brexit is how the Human Rights Act stops the British criminal justice system from doing whatever it wants, including violating the privacy of anyone suspected of Being A Wrong’n. I know Human Rights Act/European Convention on Human Rights/European Court of Human Rights are different things from the EU. I bet you know that too. Do your neighbours know it? Do they even know what the HRA says or do they say something about Abu Hamza? Everyone I’ve seen who supports Brexit sees the EU as somewhere between “greedy and incompetent” on the low end and “the unholy spawn of Hitler and Stalin” on the high end (paraphrasing). I am aware that could be Nut Picking on my part, so I’m open minded about how wrong I could be about how other people think.
    - wizzwizz4 7y ago
      There are many ways to profit from the devaluation of your currency, if you know it's going to happen (enough) in advance. I'd be surprised if there weren't some people who campaigned and voted for Brexit for this reason, though I doubt it was a motivating factor for many.
mtgx 7y ago
Stuff like this is one of the main reasons Cameron and May have been trying to get out of the EU. May even said not to long ago she doesn't want the UK to be bound by EU charter of fundamental rights and its too court.
boutad 7y ago
Good thing the UK are able to pass their own laws.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
  Yes, indeed. Laws like the Investigatory Powers Act (2016) a.k.a. "the Snoopers Charter".

Response as a Brit: “yes! That’s great news. Idiot/sinister police forces have already been trialling this, fantastic. Thank god for the EU.” (Pause) “Oh shit, I forgot.”

cs02rm0 7y ago

Amusing, but also as a Brit, I still think it's good news and that it adds weight to making the same arguments in the UK.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago
Except that the UK tends to like emulating the US ways rather than the EU ones.
- buboard 7y ago
  UK ranks much worse than most countries in the world wrt privacy. ironic considering their traditional values

notkaiho 7y ago

As an EU citizen in the UK having to often go around that private development north of King's Cross that used facial recognition tech[0] I also would welcome this so that it wouldn't become normalised. Oh well. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/04/facial-recognition-row-police-gave-kings-cross-owner-images-seven-people https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/04/facial-re...

TheFattestNinja 7y ago
I thought it was already normalized across London, at least for the MET ? Agreed, private case is different. https://www.met.police.uk/live-facial-recognition-trial/ https://www.met.police.uk/live-facial-recognition-trial/
- notkaiho 7y ago
  Yeah, sorry to not be specific. I meant the private use without the (assumed, possibly only theoretical) public body oversight. That Victoria greeter situation sounds terrifying
ilikerashers 7y ago
I have to walk through Cardinal Place in Victoria (a shopping area) to get to work and they have "greeters" with cameras strapped to their chest. Feels a bit inhuman for those poor workers and uncomfortable for people walking by.

pjc50 7y ago

I don't know how big a factor it was, but I suspect the desire of the security services to violate privacy let them to support Brexit. Certainly Richard Dearlove (former head of MI6 "C") was out there campaigning for it. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/gchq-data-collection-violated-human-rights-strasbourg-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/gchq-data-co...

lewiscollard 7y ago
As some that lives in a part of the country that voted for Brexit and actually knows a lot of people who voted Brexit: I can guarantee that nobody who voted for it did so because they wanted more privacy violations. Your link is inserted in such a way that it looks like it should support the assertion that the security services supported Brexit, but it does not. Do you have a source for that?
- ben_w 7y ago
  Nobody — almost nobody — is a moustache-twirling villain who wants to eliminate privacy for its own sake. I doubt many people voted for a 10% devaluation of the pound either, yet since then I’ve seen different people looking at the same graph saying “it’s gone back up” and “going down is good”. But… …one of the big bug-bears of the newspaper and politicians whom I associate with Brexit is how the Human Rights Act stops the British criminal justice system from doing whatever it wants, including violating the privacy of anyone suspected of Being A Wrong’n. I know Human Rights Act/European Convention on Human Rights/European Court of Human Rights are different things from the EU. I bet you know that too. Do your neighbours know it? Do they even know what the HRA says or do they say something about Abu Hamza? Everyone I’ve seen who supports Brexit sees the EU as somewhere between “greedy and incompetent” on the low end and “the unholy spawn of Hitler and Stalin” on the high end (paraphrasing). I am aware that could be Nut Picking on my part, so I’m open minded about how wrong I could be about how other people think.
  - wizzwizz4 7y ago
    There are many ways to profit from the devaluation of your currency, if you know it's going to happen (enough) in advance. I'd be surprised if there weren't some people who campaigned and voted for Brexit for this reason, though I doubt it was a motivating factor for many.

mtgx 7y ago

Stuff like this is one of the main reasons Cameron and May have been trying to get out of the EU. May even said not to long ago she doesn't want the UK to be bound by EU charter of fundamental rights and its too court.

boutad 7y ago

Good thing the UK are able to pass their own laws.

YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
Yes, indeed. Laws like the Investigatory Powers Act (2016) a.k.a. "the Snoopers Charter".