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If you like tunnels, there will be 200km of tunnels built by 21 boring machines at the same time between 2020 and 2030 around Paris : https://en.wikipedia.org/w

by Rexxar 7y ago

If you like tunnels, there will be 200km of tunnels built by 21 boring machines at the same time between 2020 and 2030 around Paris : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Paris_Express https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Paris_Express

SECProto 7y ago
Any detail specifically on the tunnels? That just mentioned 200km of track, but not whether above or below grade
- asdff 7y ago
  all tunnels are below grade
  - jtolmar 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Skyway_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Skyway_System
- Rexxar 7y ago
  90% will be underground (last item of the list of figures at beginning): https://www.societedugrandparis.fr/info/grand-paris-express-largest-transport-project-europe-1061 https://www.societedugrandparis.fr/info/grand-paris-express-...
flexie 7y ago
Thanks for posting. This really shows the power of the English language. I am not French, I don't live in France, I don't speak French and I am not particularly interested in tunnels or rails. And probably that's why it's the first time I hear about this. But I am not American either, and I don't live there, but I have read about the expensive few mile extension of a subway line in the Upper East Side of Manhattan and the failed attempts to build a high speed train between LA and San Francisco hundreds of times. A project of that scale in one of the largest Western capitals goes relatively unnoticed outside of France mainly because of language. Think about what else is lost. I bet there are thousands of businesses, and lots of culture which never get noticed mainly because of language.
- latchkey 7y ago
  This is a big reason why I moved from SF Bay to SE Asia (vietnam). While the language is totally impossible for me (mostly just cause I've learned ignorance is bliss), I can still learn a lot about how locals live, what's happening in the environment, cultural things, etc... my eyes have really been opened to the fact that when you stay in one place, you really miss out on larger perspectives.
- growlist 7y ago
  Not just language though. The MSM in the UK has such a narrow range it's shocking - today's leading story on the news will often be something like the rapper Stormzy's latest completely predictable opinions about whatever, and then I'll turn over to Al Jazeera and find out there's thousands dead in Peru from flooding, civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa, etc. It's hard not to come to the conclusion that they explicitly do not want an informed populace. It didn't used to be like this.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    To be fair, "civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa" is news in the same way that the tide going out is news. If you're upset about how predictable it is to hear about a rapper's opinions, you should be more upset about coverage of a war going on in Africa.
    - growlist 7y ago
      > To be fair, "civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa" is news in the same way that the tide going out is news. Remarkably complacent view, and undermined by the fact that other channels will report on this stuff, but not the BBC. The point is firstly that the signal to noise used to be far higher in the UK - I've been watching it for 40 years - I know what I'm talking about - and secondly that it's extremely unlikely I'm going to learn anything new from Stormzy's poorly informed opinions. And yet the latter is prioritised over the former.
      - 7y ago

by Rexxar 7y ago

SECProto 7y ago

Any detail specifically on the tunnels? That just mentioned 200km of track, but not whether above or below grade

asdff 7y ago
all tunnels are below grade
- jtolmar 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Skyway_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Skyway_System
Rexxar 7y ago
90% will be underground (last item of the list of figures at beginning): https://www.societedugrandparis.fr/info/grand-paris-express-largest-transport-project-europe-1061 https://www.societedugrandparis.fr/info/grand-paris-express-...

flexie 7y ago

Thanks for posting. This really shows the power of the English language. I am not French, I don't live in France, I don't speak French and I am not particularly interested in tunnels or rails. And probably that's why it's the first time I hear about this. But I am not American either, and I don't live there, but I have read about the expensive few mile extension of a subway line in the Upper East Side of Manhattan and the failed attempts to build a high speed train between LA and San Francisco hundreds of times. A project of that scale in one of the largest Western capitals goes relatively unnoticed outside of France mainly because of language. Think about what else is lost. I bet there are thousands of businesses, and lots of culture which never get noticed mainly because of language.

latchkey 7y ago
This is a big reason why I moved from SF Bay to SE Asia (vietnam). While the language is totally impossible for me (mostly just cause I've learned ignorance is bliss), I can still learn a lot about how locals live, what's happening in the environment, cultural things, etc... my eyes have really been opened to the fact that when you stay in one place, you really miss out on larger perspectives.
growlist 7y ago
Not just language though. The MSM in the UK has such a narrow range it's shocking - today's leading story on the news will often be something like the rapper Stormzy's latest completely predictable opinions about whatever, and then I'll turn over to Al Jazeera and find out there's thousands dead in Peru from flooding, civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa, etc. It's hard not to come to the conclusion that they explicitly do not want an informed populace. It didn't used to be like this.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  To be fair, "civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa" is news in the same way that the tide going out is news. If you're upset about how predictable it is to hear about a rapper's opinions, you should be more upset about coverage of a war going on in Africa.
  - growlist 7y ago
    > To be fair, "civil war breaking out somewhere in Africa" is news in the same way that the tide going out is news. Remarkably complacent view, and undermined by the fact that other channels will report on this stuff, but not the BBC. The point is firstly that the signal to noise used to be far higher in the UK - I've been watching it for 40 years - I know what I'm talking about - and secondly that it's extremely unlikely I'm going to learn anything new from Stormzy's poorly informed opinions. And yet the latter is prioritised over the former.
    - 7y ago