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If you give the people the power, you'll see tomorrow that most of the borders are removed WTF? Have you ever spoken with an actual Arab? If you had, you'd kn

If you give the people the power, you'll see tomorrow that most of the borders are removed WTF? Have you ever spoken with an actual Arab? If you had, you'd know that nationalism is alive and well. Egyptians are quite cognizant of the differences between themselves and Syrians or Lebanese or Jordanians. They have zero interest in abolishing borders and uniting with other countries. But what do I know, I'm only an Egyptian.

csomar 16y ago
I really don't know about you. I'm not saying they want to form a one country and become one nation; but make trade easier, one currency (may be in the future). I was speaking from the financial side. For their support for brothers countries like Palestine, may be you won't support them, but the majority does. And you being an Egyptian doesn't represent what the majority of Egyptians think. Only the future will tell what their orientations will be.
- MichaelSalib 16y ago
  but make trade easier, one currency (may be in the future). I was speaking from the financial side. Do you have any evidence to support this idea? Anything at all? Or is this just some fantasy you dreamed up? For their support for brothers countries like Palestine, may be you won't support them, but the majority does. You need not fabricate beliefs for me regarding Palestine. It is not relevant to the discussion at hand, namely your evidence-free assertions. And you being an Egyptian doesn't represent what the majority of Egyptians think. Only the future will what their orientations will be. Of course not, but my direct experience is one data point. So far, you've supplied no evidence, direct experience or otherwise.
- MartinCron 16y ago
  If you look at what has happened with Greece and Spain and Portugal and Ireland in the Euro... I strongly doubt any large group of nations will get on board the "one currency" train in the next 25 years.
- NickPollard 16y ago
  Look at how difficult any of this similar co-operation has been for Europeans. You seem to suggest that you can't extrapolate from one Egyptian to all Egyptians, yet at the same time you seem to be talking about Arabs as some monolithic mono-culture, which seems like a very backwards and ill-informed view. Sure, Egyptians and, say, Jordanians are both Arabs, but guess what, Brits and, say, Austrians are both Germanic Caucasians, don't expect them to team up anytime soon.
hasenj 16y ago
> But what do I know, I'm only an Egyptian. You're only one Egyptian. Borders won't disappear, at least not over night, but Arabs have a sense of unity and brotherhood in their subconscious. > WTF? Have you ever spoken with an actual Arab? I am one ;) and I speak with them all the time. I believe csomar is also one (judging by his name).
- MichaelSalib 16y ago
  Borders won't disappear, at least not over night, but Arabs have a sense of unity and brotherhood in their subconscious. You know this is pseudo-science garbage, right? There is no reason to believe that Arabs have a particular "sense of unity and brotherhood". There is no evidence. I know that people like to make up stories about how awesome their national/religious/ethnic group is, but at HN I'd hope we could dispense with that BS. And even if it were true, that doesn't tell us anything about whether Egyptians want to merge their country with Jordan or Libya or Sudan.
  - hasenj 16y ago
    > You know this is pseudo-science garbage, right? You're not making any sense. > There is no reason to believe that Arabs have a particular "sense of unity and brotherhood". There's plenty, actually. Just walk around any street in any major Arab city/capital and ask the people: * Do you view Egyptians as your brothers * Do you view Palestinian as your brothers * Do you support the Palestinian cause * Do you support the Egyptian revolution > I know that people like to make up stories about how awesome their national/religious/ethnic group is, but at HN I'd hope we could dispense with that BS. I didn't make any such claim. EDIT: Right this second, Al-Jazeera (Arabic) is reporting celebrations throughout the Arab world.
    - MichaelSalib 16y ago
      You're not making any sense. Let me break it down for you: you made a claim about the sub-conscience of a group of hundreds of millions of people. You've supplied zero evidence. You've cited no scientific studies, nothing. There's plenty, actually. Just walk around any street in any major Arab city/capital and ask the people Let's assume everyone says yes...so what? What does that tell us about a sub-conscious sense of unity and brotherhood? If you went to many European countries, there'd be huge public support for the Egyptian revolution or the Palestinian cause, but surely that wouldn't be due to a sub-conscious sense of unity and brotherhood, right?

csomar 16y ago

I really don't know about you. I'm not saying they want to form a one country and become one nation; but make trade easier, one currency (may be in the future). I was speaking from the financial side. For their support for brothers countries like Palestine, may be you won't support them, but the majority does. And you being an Egyptian doesn't represent what the majority of Egyptians think. Only the future will tell what their orientations will be.

MichaelSalib 16y ago
but make trade easier, one currency (may be in the future). I was speaking from the financial side. Do you have any evidence to support this idea? Anything at all? Or is this just some fantasy you dreamed up? For their support for brothers countries like Palestine, may be you won't support them, but the majority does. You need not fabricate beliefs for me regarding Palestine. It is not relevant to the discussion at hand, namely your evidence-free assertions. And you being an Egyptian doesn't represent what the majority of Egyptians think. Only the future will what their orientations will be. Of course not, but my direct experience is one data point. So far, you've supplied no evidence, direct experience or otherwise.
MartinCron 16y ago
If you look at what has happened with Greece and Spain and Portugal and Ireland in the Euro... I strongly doubt any large group of nations will get on board the "one currency" train in the next 25 years.
NickPollard 16y ago
Look at how difficult any of this similar co-operation has been for Europeans. You seem to suggest that you can't extrapolate from one Egyptian to all Egyptians, yet at the same time you seem to be talking about Arabs as some monolithic mono-culture, which seems like a very backwards and ill-informed view. Sure, Egyptians and, say, Jordanians are both Arabs, but guess what, Brits and, say, Austrians are both Germanic Caucasians, don't expect them to team up anytime soon.

hasenj 16y ago

> But what do I know, I'm only an Egyptian. You're only one Egyptian. Borders won't disappear, at least not over night, but Arabs have a sense of unity and brotherhood in their subconscious. > WTF? Have you ever spoken with an actual Arab? I am one ;) and I speak with them all the time. I believe csomar is also one (judging by his name).

MichaelSalib 16y ago
Borders won't disappear, at least not over night, but Arabs have a sense of unity and brotherhood in their subconscious. You know this is pseudo-science garbage, right? There is no reason to believe that Arabs have a particular "sense of unity and brotherhood". There is no evidence. I know that people like to make up stories about how awesome their national/religious/ethnic group is, but at HN I'd hope we could dispense with that BS. And even if it were true, that doesn't tell us anything about whether Egyptians want to merge their country with Jordan or Libya or Sudan.
- hasenj 16y ago
  > You know this is pseudo-science garbage, right? You're not making any sense. > There is no reason to believe that Arabs have a particular "sense of unity and brotherhood". There's plenty, actually. Just walk around any street in any major Arab city/capital and ask the people: * Do you view Egyptians as your brothers * Do you view Palestinian as your brothers * Do you support the Palestinian cause * Do you support the Egyptian revolution > I know that people like to make up stories about how awesome their national/religious/ethnic group is, but at HN I'd hope we could dispense with that BS. I didn't make any such claim. EDIT: Right this second, Al-Jazeera (Arabic) is reporting celebrations throughout the Arab world.
  - MichaelSalib 16y ago
    You're not making any sense. Let me break it down for you: you made a claim about the sub-conscience of a group of hundreds of millions of people. You've supplied zero evidence. You've cited no scientific studies, nothing. There's plenty, actually. Just walk around any street in any major Arab city/capital and ask the people Let's assume everyone says yes...so what? What does that tell us about a sub-conscious sense of unity and brotherhood? If you went to many European countries, there'd be huge public support for the Egyptian revolution or the Palestinian cause, but surely that wouldn't be due to a sub-conscious sense of unity and brotherhood, right?