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> patriotic Be careful for what you wish for. Taiwan’s formal name is Republic of China, the older generations does not exactly share the younger generations w

> patriotic Be careful for what you wish for. Taiwan’s formal name is Republic of China, the older generations does not exactly share the younger generations wish of independence. In fact, they are often patriotic .. to China.

klodolph 7y ago
Patriotic to "China," yes, but those in ROC who believe in "one China" in general don't support the PRC. There is some talk of reunification but even among the pan-Blue, it is generally assumed that reunification would only be possible if the communist party in PRC collapsed. Even older generations do not support reunification, at least in any specific sense, if I understand correctly.
- Taniwha 7y ago
  It's more complex - essentially the people in Taiwan who's politics descend from the nationalists who escaped ahead of Mao's and took over the country are different from those who's politics descend from Japanese invasion and occupation from 1895-1945, ~1 week of independence, followed by occupation by those self same nationalists. They literally speak different languages. The weird thing is that the Nationalists, the arch-anti-communists who believe they still rule one China are the ones who have been cosying up to the mainland over the past decade or so, making big bucks doing so - they're the ones who are against Taiwan as an independent country .... The kids? they love j-pop/k-pop are much more citizens of a wider Asia rather than China. So the people who have won this latest election by a landslide aren't the descendants of the Nationalists who believe they rule China, but they do believe in a Taiwan in a wider Asia, what's happening in Hong Kong scares the shit out of them. IMHO we should happily recognize "Taiwan", but not the defunct "RoC"
pgcudahy 7y ago
I think the last elections argue against that https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/asia/taiwan-election-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/asia/taiwan-electio...
- chrischen 7y ago
  Yes but the election prior to that argues against you as well. The reason for the most recent shift was because of Hong Kong protests and mainland action there. Prior to that there was a massive shift in favor of stronger relations with Mainland China.
  - fladrif 7y ago
    Then the trend seems to indicate that Taiwan is moving away from a pro-PRC stance.
    - garmaine 7y ago
      It has never had a pro-PRC stance. That's a gross misrepresentation of the KMT view. At best, the KMT is a pro-status-quo party that simply thinks it's bad for business to start WW3 over the Chine issue.
    - mytailorisrich 7y ago
      There is no pro-PRC stance in Taiwan. In fact Taiwan is split from the mainland because of the civil war between the KMT and the communists...
      - chrischen 7y ago
        Parties do change over time. The Republican party used to to help black people...
        mytailorisrich 7y ago
        This certainly hasn't changed, though.
- gpm 7y ago
  I think you might need to interpret "China" in the grandparent to this post as literally the land and people, instead of the more common meaning of the current government. Taiwan's official view, as I understand it, is that they are the rightful government of the land and those people, and that the people currently reigning are illegitimate.
philliphaydon 7y ago
Most of taiwan doesn’t want to be part of mainland.
nine_k 7y ago
As somebody said, both Taiwan and continental China want a single China with a government in Beijing, as it used to be for centuries. But they differ drastically in what government they want to see (along with the rest of the political system).
kilroy_jones 7y ago
They are not patriotic to the mainland government. There are few people in Taiwan that want reunification. Both greens and blues want to maintain autonomy, it's just the level to which they want it that differs.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  country == government? older-generation == most? In fact all of the comments under this is equating these 2 things and I'm puzzled.

klodolph 7y ago

Patriotic to "China," yes, but those in ROC who believe in "one China" in general don't support the PRC. There is some talk of reunification but even among the pan-Blue, it is generally assumed that reunification would only be possible if the communist party in PRC collapsed. Even older generations do not support reunification, at least in any specific sense, if I understand correctly.

Taniwha 7y ago
It's more complex - essentially the people in Taiwan who's politics descend from the nationalists who escaped ahead of Mao's and took over the country are different from those who's politics descend from Japanese invasion and occupation from 1895-1945, ~1 week of independence, followed by occupation by those self same nationalists. They literally speak different languages. The weird thing is that the Nationalists, the arch-anti-communists who believe they still rule one China are the ones who have been cosying up to the mainland over the past decade or so, making big bucks doing so - they're the ones who are against Taiwan as an independent country .... The kids? they love j-pop/k-pop are much more citizens of a wider Asia rather than China. So the people who have won this latest election by a landslide aren't the descendants of the Nationalists who believe they rule China, but they do believe in a Taiwan in a wider Asia, what's happening in Hong Kong scares the shit out of them. IMHO we should happily recognize "Taiwan", but not the defunct "RoC"

pgcudahy 7y ago

I think the last elections argue against that https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/asia/taiwan-election-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/asia/taiwan-electio...

chrischen 7y ago
Yes but the election prior to that argues against you as well. The reason for the most recent shift was because of Hong Kong protests and mainland action there. Prior to that there was a massive shift in favor of stronger relations with Mainland China.
- fladrif 7y ago
  Then the trend seems to indicate that Taiwan is moving away from a pro-PRC stance.
  - garmaine 7y ago
    It has never had a pro-PRC stance. That's a gross misrepresentation of the KMT view. At best, the KMT is a pro-status-quo party that simply thinks it's bad for business to start WW3 over the Chine issue.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    There is no pro-PRC stance in Taiwan. In fact Taiwan is split from the mainland because of the civil war between the KMT and the communists...
    - chrischen 7y ago
      Parties do change over time. The Republican party used to to help black people...
      - mytailorisrich 7y ago
        This certainly hasn't changed, though.
gpm 7y ago
I think you might need to interpret "China" in the grandparent to this post as literally the land and people, instead of the more common meaning of the current government. Taiwan's official view, as I understand it, is that they are the rightful government of the land and those people, and that the people currently reigning are illegitimate.

philliphaydon 7y ago

Most of taiwan doesn’t want to be part of mainland.

nine_k 7y ago

As somebody said, both Taiwan and continental China want a single China with a government in Beijing, as it used to be for centuries. But they differ drastically in what government they want to see (along with the rest of the political system).

kilroy_jones 7y ago

They are not patriotic to the mainland government. There are few people in Taiwan that want reunification. Both greens and blues want to maintain autonomy, it's just the level to which they want it that differs.

Aperocky 7y ago
country == government? older-generation == most? In fact all of the comments under this is equating these 2 things and I'm puzzled.