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There's Intel today but, also, presumably this could be done with GloFo? They were in the midst of research into 7nm processes but stopped due to competition. F
by creddit 7y ago
There's Intel today but, also, presumably this could be done with GloFo? They were in the midst of research into 7nm processes but stopped due to competition. Feels like investment there could work faster than 20+ yrs.
- ghaff 7y agoAnd ON Semiconductor bought Global Foundries' Fab 10 (formerly IBM) in East Fishkill. Sematech was the last US government effort to improve US competitiveness in semiconductors. It's still around but isn't a US government initiative any longer.
- agoodthrowaway 7y agoIntel does not support a fabless semiconductor business model. Lots of other chips are necessary besides CPUs.
- davidf18 7y agoPerhaps Intel could spin off a separate company that has a fabless business model.
- radicsge 7y agoIn case of war it can be forced to, the question is whether it is competitive with TSMC in medium/long run?
- agoodthrowaway 7y agoReally not that easy to release a PDK and get the industry familiar with it particularly for anything that is high speed analog.
- yvdriess 7y agoA modern chip design-to-production pipeline takes roughly five years, 2 years if you crunch it and dot try anything fancy. And yes moving from TSMC/GoFo production nodes to Intel would require significant redesign.
- kingosticks 7y agoAre you saying I can't make a random chip using Intel's fabs?
- hinkley 7y ago"Random" has some connotations that probably aren't helpful. He's saying you can't make arbitrary chips at the Intel fabs. So you could end up with a proverbial car with no wheels. Looks cool but it ain't going anywhere.
- kingosticks 7y agoI just meant if I had a design I wanted to make could I make it with Intel in the same way I could with a TSMC partner like Broadcom. My previous experience is that you could, we had them come deliver us a presentation some years ago. Their offering was no good at the time as they didn't have some of the IP macros available in the time frame we needed. So I find the parent comment confusing, unless things have changed.
- hinkley 7y agoHonestly that was news to me, but I'm only paying enough attention to this space to make a stock pick or two. I think I'd appreciate a [citation needed] as well.
- kingosticks 7y agoLooks like it's still a thing: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/overview.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/overview.htm...