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I just want to mention that apple has been 100% renewable for a while now, and publish a detailed environmental report; https://www.apple.com/au/environment/pdf

by anko 7y ago

I just want to mention that apple has been 100% renewable for a while now, and publish a detailed environmental report; https://www.apple.com/au/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Responsibility_Report_2019.pdf https://www.apple.com/au/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental...

umvi 7y ago
Yeah but they rely heavily on Chinese companies that are not 100% renewable. That's like someone saying they have never murdered anyone while routinely paying for hit men to get their hands dirty. Technically correct, but misleading.
- anko 7y ago
  I'm not sure what you're arguing, that nobody's perfect? Microsoft is aiming here to be carbon neutral in 2030. In ten years. From my linked report; A more energy efficient supply chain. In 2015, we started engaging directly with suppliers to help them reduce their energy use. We aim to educate them about energy efficiency, identify energy efficiency project opportunities, and manage those projects to completion. We prioritize facilities with the highest energy use and potential for improvement. Then we conduct energy audits and train suppliers to uncover opportunities for energy efficiency—like replacing outdated or inefficient heating, cooling, and lighting systems; repairing compressed air leaks; and recovering waste heat. The assessments provide suppliers with a cost-benefit analysis for implementing energy efficiency improvements. Since the inception of this program in 2015, we have engaged 59 suppliers at 85 facilities. In 2018, our program implemented energy efficiency measures that prevented 466,000 metric tons of CO₂e from entering the atmosphere. So they are working with suppliers and have been for the past 5 years. They also have been cleaning up the chemicals their suppliers use. You can't compare what they are doing to murder; it's legal for starters. But if you're relying on all the companies you do business with to make up your definition of 100% renewable, it's likely you'll never get there. They don't say anything about the energy used by the banks they do business with either.
  - jdlshore 7y ago
    In the article, Microsoft says they are carbon neutral today. They make a distinction between being carbon neutral—offsetting all their emissions—and being “net zero”. The latter is harder because it requires actually removing carbon from the atmosphere, not just paying someone else not to emit carbon. They also make a distinction between Scope 1 (direct emissions), Scope 2 (emissions created by energy providers), and Scope 3 (emissions created by suppliers). Their Scope 3 emissions are two orders of magnitude higher than their Scope 1 emissions, if I’m remembering it right. Their commitment is to be net negative including Scope 3 emissions. I was impressed. They went well above and beyond a simple PR move.

by anko 7y ago

umvi 7y ago

Yeah but they rely heavily on Chinese companies that are not 100% renewable. That's like someone saying they have never murdered anyone while routinely paying for hit men to get their hands dirty. Technically correct, but misleading.

anko 7y ago
I'm not sure what you're arguing, that nobody's perfect? Microsoft is aiming here to be carbon neutral in 2030. In ten years. From my linked report; A more energy efficient supply chain. In 2015, we started engaging directly with suppliers to help them reduce their energy use. We aim to educate them about energy efficiency, identify energy efficiency project opportunities, and manage those projects to completion. We prioritize facilities with the highest energy use and potential for improvement. Then we conduct energy audits and train suppliers to uncover opportunities for energy efficiency—like replacing outdated or inefficient heating, cooling, and lighting systems; repairing compressed air leaks; and recovering waste heat. The assessments provide suppliers with a cost-benefit analysis for implementing energy efficiency improvements. Since the inception of this program in 2015, we have engaged 59 suppliers at 85 facilities. In 2018, our program implemented energy efficiency measures that prevented 466,000 metric tons of CO₂e from entering the atmosphere. So they are working with suppliers and have been for the past 5 years. They also have been cleaning up the chemicals their suppliers use. You can't compare what they are doing to murder; it's legal for starters. But if you're relying on all the companies you do business with to make up your definition of 100% renewable, it's likely you'll never get there. They don't say anything about the energy used by the banks they do business with either.
- jdlshore 7y ago
  In the article, Microsoft says they are carbon neutral today. They make a distinction between being carbon neutral—offsetting all their emissions—and being “net zero”. The latter is harder because it requires actually removing carbon from the atmosphere, not just paying someone else not to emit carbon. They also make a distinction between Scope 1 (direct emissions), Scope 2 (emissions created by energy providers), and Scope 3 (emissions created by suppliers). Their Scope 3 emissions are two orders of magnitude higher than their Scope 1 emissions, if I’m remembering it right. Their commitment is to be net negative including Scope 3 emissions. I was impressed. They went well above and beyond a simple PR move.