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I stated quite clearly, that it is hard to work out the intention of the article. The professional psychologist in question seems to be spending an awful amount

by 45ure 7y ago

I stated quite clearly, that it is hard to work out the intention of the article. The professional psychologist in question seems to be spending an awful amount of energy dispelling a theory that has been already discredited. There is an unhealthy fixation on the circulation and sales of the book, throughout the article. It is now a futile exercise to convince the readership if it is drivel and providing the book with even more publicity. They will come to a realization of their own accord and banish the book to the kooky category.

acqq 7y ago
No. It's clearly written: "Despite the use of colours, it turned out that the “Surrounded by …” books were not based on Myers-Brigg. Instead, they built on another personality theory, the so-called DiSC model. The most noteworthy outcome of a search through the academic literature on this model was that, despite the fact that the test had been around for fifty years, there was in principle no research on whether or not it worked." "According to Sune Gellberg, the owner of IPU, the organisation in Sweden which sell the DiSC test, no qualifications are required to carry out personality tests. “I don’t know what education our consultants have because it doesn’t matter”, he told us, “It is a computer program that does the personality analysis and gives the consultant a report which he can go through with the respondent.” Not even the representative for the test thinks that knowledge of psychology is important! Personality consultants have no education in test methodology and no knowledge of personality theory. They just feed in numbers to a computer and have no idea what the results mean or what their scientific value is. It is very possible that Erikson believes that the test has scientific grounds and, given his lack of education, it is very likely that he has no idea what it actually says. "
- 45ure 7y ago
  There is no disagreement with Mr. Dan Katz's views; the licensed psychologist and psychotherapist, whose words make up the article. He suitably hammers home his point that the content of the books is nothing more than airport science, as he openly rages against the profession of 'behavioural scientist'. He also mentions the book sales, conferences, TV appearances, bestseller lists and ever increasing circulation of the books etc. I get it. He feels passionate and sees a charlatan, who is hitching a free ride on the back of his respected profession and getting the rockstar treatment. These compendium of books could have effectively been languishing under the sections of new age, self-help, therapy etc., except they hit home with a certain audience. Now that he has vented his spleen, what more does he hope to achieve, especially under the circumstances that there are no laws or regulation in place to curb any of the activities. Also, by continuing to rage against it, he only brings more welcome publicity for the author and his books.
  - acqq 7y ago
    > he only brings more welcome publicity for the author and his books. That‘s obviously not true. Spreading the information that the books were written by a person who is falsely claiming his qualifications and that the premises of the book have no scientific confirmation is surely not supporting their acceptance.
    - 45ure 7y ago
      >books were written by a person who is falsely claiming his qualifications You seem to be simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing. I refer you to the points, made in your previous post; there are NO educational and professional qualifications, scientific grounds or any legal regulations required to write these books or conduct personality analysis, none whatsoever!
      - acqq 7y ago
        > there are NO educational and professional qualifications, scientific grounds or any legal regulations required to write these books If some activity is not legally regulated it still doesn‘t mean that uneducated person doing it should be tolerated as he presents himself as an expert. The media which didn’t check these facts are also to be blamed and shamed.
        45ure 7y ago
        I feel you are being unnecessarily obtuse. I have expressed my opinion based entirely on the article, but on each occasion, you completely disregard the presented facts, demonstrate your displeasure and produce a reply within a context that does not exist nor does it reflect my views. We have arrived at a point, which is mirroring the predicament of the person in question, so I must respectfully decline to enter into any further debate on this particular topic.
        acqq 7y ago
        > I feel you are being unnecessarily obtuse. > you completely disregard the presented facts No. If the "fact" is that he can't go to jail or pay a fine in Sweden because he falsely presents himself as an expert, it doesn't mean anybody should support him, or doubt the real expert writing about that. And I still don't understand what's the intention behind your activity here which includes you being rude.

by 45ure 7y ago

acqq 7y ago

No. It's clearly written: "Despite the use of colours, it turned out that the “Surrounded by …” books were not based on Myers-Brigg. Instead, they built on another personality theory, the so-called DiSC model. The most noteworthy outcome of a search through the academic literature on this model was that, despite the fact that the test had been around for fifty years, there was in principle no research on whether or not it worked." "According to Sune Gellberg, the owner of IPU, the organisation in Sweden which sell the DiSC test, no qualifications are required to carry out personality tests. “I don’t know what education our consultants have because it doesn’t matter”, he told us, “It is a computer program that does the personality analysis and gives the consultant a report which he can go through with the respondent.” Not even the representative for the test thinks that knowledge of psychology is important! Personality consultants have no education in test methodology and no knowledge of personality theory. They just feed in numbers to a computer and have no idea what the results mean or what their scientific value is. It is very possible that Erikson believes that the test has scientific grounds and, given his lack of education, it is very likely that he has no idea what it actually says. "

45ure 7y ago
There is no disagreement with Mr. Dan Katz's views; the licensed psychologist and psychotherapist, whose words make up the article. He suitably hammers home his point that the content of the books is nothing more than airport science, as he openly rages against the profession of 'behavioural scientist'. He also mentions the book sales, conferences, TV appearances, bestseller lists and ever increasing circulation of the books etc. I get it. He feels passionate and sees a charlatan, who is hitching a free ride on the back of his respected profession and getting the rockstar treatment. These compendium of books could have effectively been languishing under the sections of new age, self-help, therapy etc., except they hit home with a certain audience. Now that he has vented his spleen, what more does he hope to achieve, especially under the circumstances that there are no laws or regulation in place to curb any of the activities. Also, by continuing to rage against it, he only brings more welcome publicity for the author and his books.
- acqq 7y ago
  > he only brings more welcome publicity for the author and his books. That‘s obviously not true. Spreading the information that the books were written by a person who is falsely claiming his qualifications and that the premises of the book have no scientific confirmation is surely not supporting their acceptance.
  - 45ure 7y ago
    >books were written by a person who is falsely claiming his qualifications You seem to be simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing. I refer you to the points, made in your previous post; there are NO educational and professional qualifications, scientific grounds or any legal regulations required to write these books or conduct personality analysis, none whatsoever!
    - acqq 7y ago
      > there are NO educational and professional qualifications, scientific grounds or any legal regulations required to write these books If some activity is not legally regulated it still doesn‘t mean that uneducated person doing it should be tolerated as he presents himself as an expert. The media which didn’t check these facts are also to be blamed and shamed.
      - 45ure 7y ago
        I feel you are being unnecessarily obtuse. I have expressed my opinion based entirely on the article, but on each occasion, you completely disregard the presented facts, demonstrate your displeasure and produce a reply within a context that does not exist nor does it reflect my views. We have arrived at a point, which is mirroring the predicament of the person in question, so I must respectfully decline to enter into any further debate on this particular topic.
        acqq 7y ago
        > I feel you are being unnecessarily obtuse. > you completely disregard the presented facts No. If the "fact" is that he can't go to jail or pay a fine in Sweden because he falsely presents himself as an expert, it doesn't mean anybody should support him, or doubt the real expert writing about that. And I still don't understand what's the intention behind your activity here which includes you being rude.