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Well, some/many Japanese believe that blood type determines a lot about your personality, and Americans believe in Myers-Briggs types, and I'm sure there are lo

by csours 7y ago

Well, some/many Japanese believe that blood type determines a lot about your personality, and Americans believe in Myers-Briggs types, and I'm sure there are local equivalents everywhere else too, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

fastball 7y ago
I always thought of Myers-Briggs as being about identifying the things you are less comfortable with and learning to address them. It's about identification of tendencies, not blaming a Gremlin.
- csours 7y ago
  Someone should do a talk on Pseudo-Psychology, the Good Parts. I had no idea what Myers-Briggs was actually meant to be used for.
  - WAHa_06x36 7y ago
    Myers-Briggs is a proprietary test marketed by a commercial company. It is meant to extract money from corporate customers.
- ncmncm 7y ago
  It has always struck me as odd when somebody insists Myers-Briggs has been "debunked". It asks a lot of questions about what amount to boundaries of your comfort zone. Of course as we age that zone changes, ideally, but sadly not always, by expanding. Naming various borders of your comfort zone is useful if you want to push them back. If M-B has a failing, it is that its advocates never seem to suggest that being dead center on all axes is an ideal to strive for.
  - fastball 7y ago
    I suppose the issue with centrality is that not only can it indicate that you are both good at being an extrovert and good at being an introvert (when appropriate), but it can also indicate that you are bad at being extroverted and bad at being introverted when arguably called for by context. I think what MBTI lacks is an appreciation of context - sometimes it's good to be Thinking, sometimes it is good to be Feeling. What individuals need to learn is 1. when each is appropriate and 2. if they're bad at doing one or the other, getting better at it.
  - AlanYx 7y ago
    "Debunked" is probably overstating it, but Myers-Briggs has been shown to have fairly significant statistical deficiencies and its predictive claims are largely pseudoscientific. It's not complete garbage, but there are personality trait models like Big Five and HEXACO that are more robust and have more research behind them, but even those are not as strong predictors as pop management literature makes them out to be.
    - ncmncm 7y ago
      I never considered it to have any predictive meaning at all, so saying it doesn't seems to miss the whole point. Predicting others' behavior on the basis of a generic quiz is a pretty silly expectation.
- WAHa_06x36 7y ago
  It is definitely 100% gremlin: https://digg.com/2015/myers-briggs-secret-history https://digg.com/2015/myers-briggs-secret-history Also, https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personality-test-meaningless https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personali...
palimpsests 7y ago
I am an American who does not “believe” in Myers-Briggs types and I know plenty more of the same.
- ncmncm 7y ago
  There is nothing to "believe". If it is useful in expanding your comfort zone, it's useful, full stop. If it's useful in helping to get along with people who are different from you, it's useful, full stop. If it's not useful to you, that does not mean it is not useful to anybody else.
  - A_Parr 7y ago
    You can say that about punching people in the face, too.
    - riversflow 7y ago
      Sure? And Floyd Mayweather has made significantly more money doing that than most of us will make in our lives. Different strokes for different folks.
    - ncmncm 7y ago
      I can, and I do.
  - atheistnsingle 7y ago
    It makes up distinctions that don't actually exist. The questions and be answered differently depending mood at the moment and/or interpretation. It's complete and utter bunk!
  - new2628 7y ago
    Full stop, full stop.
  - aidenn0 7y ago
    Meyers-Briggs claims that 1. We all have specific preferences in the way we construe our experiences, and these preferences underlie our interests, needs, values, and motivation 2. The MBTI is an accurate measure of #1 There's also an implicit claim that each of the 4 dichotomies are well represented by a binary value. There are far more claims made about it by Meyers and Briggs, but those 3 are baked into the MBTI test. People have definitely had their comfort zone expanded by following advice in horoscopes, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to "believe" with regards to horoscopes.

by csours 7y ago

fastball 7y ago

I always thought of Myers-Briggs as being about identifying the things you are less comfortable with and learning to address them. It's about identification of tendencies, not blaming a Gremlin.

csours 7y ago
Someone should do a talk on Pseudo-Psychology, the Good Parts. I had no idea what Myers-Briggs was actually meant to be used for.
- WAHa_06x36 7y ago
  Myers-Briggs is a proprietary test marketed by a commercial company. It is meant to extract money from corporate customers.
ncmncm 7y ago
It has always struck me as odd when somebody insists Myers-Briggs has been "debunked". It asks a lot of questions about what amount to boundaries of your comfort zone. Of course as we age that zone changes, ideally, but sadly not always, by expanding. Naming various borders of your comfort zone is useful if you want to push them back. If M-B has a failing, it is that its advocates never seem to suggest that being dead center on all axes is an ideal to strive for.
- fastball 7y ago
  I suppose the issue with centrality is that not only can it indicate that you are both good at being an extrovert and good at being an introvert (when appropriate), but it can also indicate that you are bad at being extroverted and bad at being introverted when arguably called for by context. I think what MBTI lacks is an appreciation of context - sometimes it's good to be Thinking, sometimes it is good to be Feeling. What individuals need to learn is 1. when each is appropriate and 2. if they're bad at doing one or the other, getting better at it.
- AlanYx 7y ago
  "Debunked" is probably overstating it, but Myers-Briggs has been shown to have fairly significant statistical deficiencies and its predictive claims are largely pseudoscientific. It's not complete garbage, but there are personality trait models like Big Five and HEXACO that are more robust and have more research behind them, but even those are not as strong predictors as pop management literature makes them out to be.
  - ncmncm 7y ago
    I never considered it to have any predictive meaning at all, so saying it doesn't seems to miss the whole point. Predicting others' behavior on the basis of a generic quiz is a pretty silly expectation.
WAHa_06x36 7y ago
It is definitely 100% gremlin: https://digg.com/2015/myers-briggs-secret-history https://digg.com/2015/myers-briggs-secret-history Also, https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personality-test-meaningless https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personali...

palimpsests 7y ago

I am an American who does not “believe” in Myers-Briggs types and I know plenty more of the same.

ncmncm 7y ago
There is nothing to "believe". If it is useful in expanding your comfort zone, it's useful, full stop. If it's useful in helping to get along with people who are different from you, it's useful, full stop. If it's not useful to you, that does not mean it is not useful to anybody else.
- A_Parr 7y ago
  You can say that about punching people in the face, too.
  - riversflow 7y ago
    Sure? And Floyd Mayweather has made significantly more money doing that than most of us will make in our lives. Different strokes for different folks.
  - ncmncm 7y ago
    I can, and I do.
- atheistnsingle 7y ago
  It makes up distinctions that don't actually exist. The questions and be answered differently depending mood at the moment and/or interpretation. It's complete and utter bunk!
- new2628 7y ago
  Full stop, full stop.
- aidenn0 7y ago
  Meyers-Briggs claims that 1. We all have specific preferences in the way we construe our experiences, and these preferences underlie our interests, needs, values, and motivation 2. The MBTI is an accurate measure of #1 There's also an implicit claim that each of the 4 dichotomies are well represented by a binary value. There are far more claims made about it by Meyers and Briggs, but those 3 are baked into the MBTI test. People have definitely had their comfort zone expanded by following advice in horoscopes, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to "believe" with regards to horoscopes.