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You say the business model is moving to F2P but that is only part of the story. In the complete opposite direction we have Kickstarter et al. Now perhaps the

You say the business model is moving to F2P but that is only part of the story. In the complete opposite direction we have Kickstarter et al. Now perhaps the “get filthy rich” business model is only sustainable by freemium addiction (they pay 5x!). At this point it’s more about greed/entitlement than than it is starving artists getting their bone.

Fr33maan 7y ago
Thanks for your answer. Factually, kickstarter is not a business model, it's a way to get some seed money from future players. Once the game goes out you still need to have a business model. Making a game can be an artist job but it also can be a business which is expected to grow, fast and strong as any business. I found the use of the word "greed" extremely opinionated. Is CEO of Amazon greed ? Greed let suppose that it's accumulating money in a selfish way, which seems to be a pretty bad stuff. I might not understand the nuance as I'm not a native english speaker but I find really strange to link the desire of making money with the "greed" word. You are maybe right, maybe it's only possible to consider video games as a sustainable business with freemium addiction. I really ask the question
- someone7x 7y ago
  > Strange to link the desire of money with the “greed” word. Is it? I didn’t even go full avarice. There is desire for fair compensation and there is greed. Diluting a product with IAP and Ads is to treat your players like serfs to be squeezed for “LTV”. Imagine buying a car where increasing the fuel economy for the next n hours required an “in-dashboard-payment”? It’s dilution to make money, aka greed.
  - Fr33maan 7y ago
    Yeah, diluting the product with ads and IAP is a really bullshit way of doing game. I think I just misunderstood the post because none of the answer I got goes in the direction of my post. IAP are fine, ads are fine, subs are fine, DLC are fine. Bullshit pattern aren't.

Fr33maan 7y ago

Thanks for your answer. Factually, kickstarter is not a business model, it's a way to get some seed money from future players. Once the game goes out you still need to have a business model. Making a game can be an artist job but it also can be a business which is expected to grow, fast and strong as any business. I found the use of the word "greed" extremely opinionated. Is CEO of Amazon greed ? Greed let suppose that it's accumulating money in a selfish way, which seems to be a pretty bad stuff. I might not understand the nuance as I'm not a native english speaker but I find really strange to link the desire of making money with the "greed" word. You are maybe right, maybe it's only possible to consider video games as a sustainable business with freemium addiction. I really ask the question

someone7x 7y ago
> Strange to link the desire of money with the “greed” word. Is it? I didn’t even go full avarice. There is desire for fair compensation and there is greed. Diluting a product with IAP and Ads is to treat your players like serfs to be squeezed for “LTV”. Imagine buying a car where increasing the fuel economy for the next n hours required an “in-dashboard-payment”? It’s dilution to make money, aka greed.
- Fr33maan 7y ago
  Yeah, diluting the product with ads and IAP is a really bullshit way of doing game. I think I just misunderstood the post because none of the answer I got goes in the direction of my post. IAP are fine, ads are fine, subs are fine, DLC are fine. Bullshit pattern aren't.