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Oh that is not going to go well with the majority of the population. "You're paying these high taxes and foregoing real meat because otherwise things would've

by jotm 7y ago

Oh that is not going to go well with the majority of the population. "You're paying these high taxes and foregoing real meat because otherwise things would've been way worse, trust us!" Very few will believe that.

jotm 7y ago
Downvoters, use your fucking brains for once. Look at the world. The majority of people are uneducated and lack critical thinking. Furthermore, people pay taxes so things get better, no one pays taxes so things don't get worse. Britain lost billions in lost growth because of Brexit, the majority does not believe that because nothing has changed. Ask anyone on the street, they believe climate change action means things will improve. They would be extremely surprised to learn it will only slow down the catastrophic results. Tell me how I am wrong, then downvote. Otherwise you're just a пидор.
growlist 7y ago
I think there would be less mistrust if the environmentalism weren't bundled in all kinds of other radical causes, the more extreme aspects of which are often alienating to the average person. For example, extreme environmentalists are often also extremely pro-immigration; they are utterly conservative in terms of the environment, yet utterly liberal to the point of contemptuous indifference to any societal or cultural damage that might occur as a consequence of unrestricted immigration. People aren't stupid and can sniff these kinds of inconsistencies out.
- xienze 7y ago
  To elaborate on this point, because you’re being heavily downvoted... My biggest problem with people being concerned about climate change and at the same time being pro-third world -> first world immigration is that you’re instantly lifting those people’s carbon footprint, dramatically. Isn’t that like, bad? At least as bad as first worlders having children, if not more so? It’s hard for me to take these people seriously when one policy actively works against the other.
- malandrew 7y ago
  > I think there would be less mistrust if the environmentalism weren't bundled in all kinds of other radical causes Don't know why you're being downvoted but you're spot on with this point. The most off-putting radical cause is people trying to use climate change to push socialism on society. When the problem comes bundled with a non-negotiable solution, it's reasonable to be skeptical of the messenger.

by jotm 7y ago

jotm 7y ago

Downvoters, use your fucking brains for once. Look at the world. The majority of people are uneducated and lack critical thinking. Furthermore, people pay taxes so things get better, no one pays taxes so things don't get worse. Britain lost billions in lost growth because of Brexit, the majority does not believe that because nothing has changed. Ask anyone on the street, they believe climate change action means things will improve. They would be extremely surprised to learn it will only slow down the catastrophic results. Tell me how I am wrong, then downvote. Otherwise you're just a пидор.

growlist 7y ago

I think there would be less mistrust if the environmentalism weren't bundled in all kinds of other radical causes, the more extreme aspects of which are often alienating to the average person. For example, extreme environmentalists are often also extremely pro-immigration; they are utterly conservative in terms of the environment, yet utterly liberal to the point of contemptuous indifference to any societal or cultural damage that might occur as a consequence of unrestricted immigration. People aren't stupid and can sniff these kinds of inconsistencies out.

xienze 7y ago
To elaborate on this point, because you’re being heavily downvoted... My biggest problem with people being concerned about climate change and at the same time being pro-third world -> first world immigration is that you’re instantly lifting those people’s carbon footprint, dramatically. Isn’t that like, bad? At least as bad as first worlders having children, if not more so? It’s hard for me to take these people seriously when one policy actively works against the other.
malandrew 7y ago
> I think there would be less mistrust if the environmentalism weren't bundled in all kinds of other radical causes Don't know why you're being downvoted but you're spot on with this point. The most off-putting radical cause is people trying to use climate change to push socialism on society. When the problem comes bundled with a non-negotiable solution, it's reasonable to be skeptical of the messenger.