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And if your family were actually threatened, what would be your excuse?

darawk 7y ago
I think the point is, his statement that his family was threatened provides essentially no information at all, since many people would say that even if it were not true.
- mrtksn 7y ago
  So we are supposed to assume that the CEO fled injustice, him an all the reportedly very well-paid conspirators are heroes but this one guy who did the leg work is lying. If he was one of the conspirators, why he is not together with the rest of the team? AFAIK there was no police chase, Ghosn simply did not protect the identities of the people involved in the logistics by entering Lebanon openly instead of using the box. If his family was not threatened, why he did it then? Why Carlos did not even try to protect his identity, why the guy did not run with the rest of the team and enjoy his millions somewhere nice?
  - aflag 7y ago
    The police arrested him based on the facts they have. I assume there will still be a trial and he can argument that his family was threatened, but from what we know, there's not that much evidence for that.
    - mrtksn 7y ago
      The exact same thing could have been said for Ghosn. But hey, He is special so it is O.K. for him not to face trial and land other people in jail in the process and those people should face a trial. Right?
      - jonathanstrange 7y ago
        No. You seem to falsely assume that nobody has empathy for the guy who was arrested. I personally think that it was alright for Ghosn to flee, because the Japanese "justice" system is inherently unjust. It does not fulfill the basic requirements for due process, and that is also the reason why e.g. France has already stated they would not extradite him if he came to France. At the same time it is very regrettable that someone in Turkey was arrested for helping him. I also think that the claim that his family was threatened is not very credible and likely a protection assertion. I'd be surprised if Ghosn thought about this in any other way. People tend to assert all kinds of evilness to wealthy top managers when in the end most of them are just ordinary people who made the right career choices at the right time.
        mrtksn 7y ago
        Okay, so he was faced with a choice between being in jail and putting someone unrelated in jail, he chooses to put someone in jail and he is not evil? If anything, it seems like he chose to save some money by not paying off the logistics team and prefered some comfort by not entering Lebanon openly instead of in a box, exposing the logistics team. I think you wrongly assume that he is vilified due to him being rich. Non-CEO people who cause harm to others, forcing people to do things "or else" are also vilified. Rich or not, guilty or not, it is not O.K. to harm people for your own wellbeing. If he was ill, should he also be allowed to harvest organs from living and unwilling people because otherwise, he will die?
        jonathanstrange 7y ago
        he wasn't faced with that choice at all.
        FDSGSG 7y ago
        >Okay, so he was faced with a choice between being in jail and putting someone unrelated in jail, he chooses to put someone in jail and he is not evil? I'm pretty sure you know that this probably isn't what happened here.
      - aflag 7y ago
        No. He did successfully fled, however. The police didn't manage to catch him in time.
  - darawk 7y ago
    > So we are supposed to assume that the CEO fled injustice, him an all the reportedly very well-paid conspirators are heroes but this one guy who did the leg work is lying. Who's saying that? The CEO looks guilty to me, but I don't know the details of the case.
  - kingofpandora 7y ago
    Why assume he wasn't paid? I find it hard to believe that such a well-organised plan would hinge on being able to browbeat a lowly employee instead of rewarding him handsomely. A $15m operation could spare, say, a hundred thousand (a small fortune in Turkey).

I think the point is, his statement that his family was threatened provides essentially no information at all, since many people would say that even if it were not true.

mrtksn 7y ago
So we are supposed to assume that the CEO fled injustice, him an all the reportedly very well-paid conspirators are heroes but this one guy who did the leg work is lying. If he was one of the conspirators, why he is not together with the rest of the team? AFAIK there was no police chase, Ghosn simply did not protect the identities of the people involved in the logistics by entering Lebanon openly instead of using the box. If his family was not threatened, why he did it then? Why Carlos did not even try to protect his identity, why the guy did not run with the rest of the team and enjoy his millions somewhere nice?
- aflag 7y ago
  The police arrested him based on the facts they have. I assume there will still be a trial and he can argument that his family was threatened, but from what we know, there's not that much evidence for that.
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    The exact same thing could have been said for Ghosn. But hey, He is special so it is O.K. for him not to face trial and land other people in jail in the process and those people should face a trial. Right?
    - jonathanstrange 7y ago
      No. You seem to falsely assume that nobody has empathy for the guy who was arrested. I personally think that it was alright for Ghosn to flee, because the Japanese "justice" system is inherently unjust. It does not fulfill the basic requirements for due process, and that is also the reason why e.g. France has already stated they would not extradite him if he came to France. At the same time it is very regrettable that someone in Turkey was arrested for helping him. I also think that the claim that his family was threatened is not very credible and likely a protection assertion. I'd be surprised if Ghosn thought about this in any other way. People tend to assert all kinds of evilness to wealthy top managers when in the end most of them are just ordinary people who made the right career choices at the right time.
      - mrtksn 7y ago
        Okay, so he was faced with a choice between being in jail and putting someone unrelated in jail, he chooses to put someone in jail and he is not evil? If anything, it seems like he chose to save some money by not paying off the logistics team and prefered some comfort by not entering Lebanon openly instead of in a box, exposing the logistics team. I think you wrongly assume that he is vilified due to him being rich. Non-CEO people who cause harm to others, forcing people to do things "or else" are also vilified. Rich or not, guilty or not, it is not O.K. to harm people for your own wellbeing. If he was ill, should he also be allowed to harvest organs from living and unwilling people because otherwise, he will die?
        jonathanstrange 7y ago
        he wasn't faced with that choice at all.
        FDSGSG 7y ago
        >Okay, so he was faced with a choice between being in jail and putting someone unrelated in jail, he chooses to put someone in jail and he is not evil? I'm pretty sure you know that this probably isn't what happened here.
    - aflag 7y ago
      No. He did successfully fled, however. The police didn't manage to catch him in time.
- darawk 7y ago
  > So we are supposed to assume that the CEO fled injustice, him an all the reportedly very well-paid conspirators are heroes but this one guy who did the leg work is lying. Who's saying that? The CEO looks guilty to me, but I don't know the details of the case.
- kingofpandora 7y ago
  Why assume he wasn't paid? I find it hard to believe that such a well-organised plan would hinge on being able to browbeat a lowly employee instead of rewarding him handsomely. A $15m operation could spare, say, a hundred thousand (a small fortune in Turkey).