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Is it really glorifying it? The article doesn't exactly make Ghosn sound like a hero to me. > But as Ghosn’s speech went on, entropy took hold. He jumped rapid

Is it really glorifying it? The article doesn't exactly make Ghosn sound like a hero to me. > But as Ghosn’s speech went on, entropy took hold. He jumped rapidly from allegation to allegation at a pace that was difficult to follow even for observers versed in the latest Ghosniana. At one point he committed the No. 1 faux pas for foreigners in Japan, comparing his arrest to the attack on Pearl Harbor. There were flashes of arrogance, with Ghosn describing Nissan as “in the dirt” before he arrived and boasting that “20 books of management were written about me.” He devoted a significant stretch of time to a relatively minor issue—whether his comped use of a room at Versailles for his 2016 wedding celebration constituted a sort of kickback for Renault’s sponsorship of the palace—providing a convoluted explanation that he later summed up with, “If I had thought there had been an ethical problem, I wouldn’t have done it.”

mrtksn 7y ago
Reportedly the guy is considered a hero in Lebanon. The reactions on the press articles are also very favourable, just not perfectly behind him and raising some eyebrows. Let's ask this question after the movie comes, even better let's ask the kids of the guy in jail to rate the movie about the tragedy of an imprisoned rich CEO that their father was forced to help and go to jail. Let's hope that the mother has a decent income so that they can afford the ticket to the movie.
- true_religion 7y ago
  If his family was threatened why is he still in jail? Did the judge not believe him? Or was it simply that you are always imprisoned in that country regardless of mitigating circumstances.
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    Because, unlike Ghosn, the guy will face trail since you don't go free by simply saying that you did what you did because someone made you. He obviously committed a crime, now it will take time to receive a ruling and a sentence(which hopefully will be a fair one, based on his claims and the findings of the prosecutor). He will probably lose his job, his family will go through an ordeal and possibly poverty until the case closes. Or maybe he willingly participated and took some serious money, who knows? Unlike with Ghosn, his incident would be put on trial.
tarsinge 7y ago
Regarding the Versailles part, this is not a minor issue for his public image in France and I can see him trying to restore his image first here where it's the most damaged (a huge part of the opinion think he's guilty): that's the event that really swayed the public opinion to him being used to unreported compensation/kickbacks/misappropriation of corporate assets, and totally capable of doing the same thing with Nissan.
reacweb 7y ago
For many japaneses, the attack on Pearl Harbor is the mistake where they have lost the war. The Japanese army is essentially a navy. Sailors play chess, but not go. Therefore, they are very strong to win great battles, but lack the global vision to win a war.
- DagAgren 7y ago
  What.
  - reacweb 7y ago
    I am a go player and as such, I have met many japanese people living in France. The story about Pearl Harbour was from an old president of the association of Japanese nationals in France.
sandoooo 7y ago
What's a better world, one where some people has the means to defend themselves against injustice, or one where nobody does but at least we're all equal?
- kick 7y ago
  He broke the law a bunch of times and then threatened a man's family to force him to comply, and got the man locked up. This isn't fighting injustice, it's causing injustice.
  - terryf 7y ago
    "He broke the law a bunch of times" Kowing if he did that is dependent on there being a court decision. Look, I don't like that some probably innocent plane guy is in jail more than anyone else but judging people just because they are rich is also wrong. Also I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gosn that threatened him but rather the security guy that put together the plan.
    - mrtksn 7y ago
      >Also I'm pretty sure it wasn't Ghosn that threatened him but rather the security guy that put together the plan. Is this the reverse of "I just followed orders"? Can the cartel bosses in Mexico not being guilty of the actions of their security guys? Maybe all they wanted was to do a trade but these pesky security guys keep killing people brutally.
      - terryf 7y ago
        Depends on what the order was. If he said "threaten and kill anyone that gets in the way" then yes Ghosn is guilty. If the order was "get me out of the country without harming anyone" then the security guy was guilty. At this point we don't know which it was.
        mrtksn 7y ago
        How do you explain his decision to enter Lebanon openly, exposing his plane, therefore exposing the route and the people involved when not exposing the people who organised all this? Why he did not enter Lebanon in the same box he left Japan? I am pretty sure that Ghosn is intelligent enough to know that as soon as he exposes his route of escape, the people involved in the operation will be exposed. He chooses to expose these when protecting the people he paid. Was Carlos assuming that the security contractor works for the money and likes being not in jail just like him but airline personnel would do illegal things as part of the rent contract and not having problems with being exposed?

mrtksn 7y ago

Reportedly the guy is considered a hero in Lebanon. The reactions on the press articles are also very favourable, just not perfectly behind him and raising some eyebrows. Let's ask this question after the movie comes, even better let's ask the kids of the guy in jail to rate the movie about the tragedy of an imprisoned rich CEO that their father was forced to help and go to jail. Let's hope that the mother has a decent income so that they can afford the ticket to the movie.

true_religion 7y ago
If his family was threatened why is he still in jail? Did the judge not believe him? Or was it simply that you are always imprisoned in that country regardless of mitigating circumstances.
- mrtksn 7y ago
  Because, unlike Ghosn, the guy will face trail since you don't go free by simply saying that you did what you did because someone made you. He obviously committed a crime, now it will take time to receive a ruling and a sentence(which hopefully will be a fair one, based on his claims and the findings of the prosecutor). He will probably lose his job, his family will go through an ordeal and possibly poverty until the case closes. Or maybe he willingly participated and took some serious money, who knows? Unlike with Ghosn, his incident would be put on trial.

tarsinge 7y ago

Regarding the Versailles part, this is not a minor issue for his public image in France and I can see him trying to restore his image first here where it's the most damaged (a huge part of the opinion think he's guilty): that's the event that really swayed the public opinion to him being used to unreported compensation/kickbacks/misappropriation of corporate assets, and totally capable of doing the same thing with Nissan.

reacweb 7y ago

For many japaneses, the attack on Pearl Harbor is the mistake where they have lost the war. The Japanese army is essentially a navy. Sailors play chess, but not go. Therefore, they are very strong to win great battles, but lack the global vision to win a war.

DagAgren 7y ago
What.
- reacweb 7y ago
  I am a go player and as such, I have met many japanese people living in France. The story about Pearl Harbour was from an old president of the association of Japanese nationals in France.

sandoooo 7y ago

What's a better world, one where some people has the means to defend themselves against injustice, or one where nobody does but at least we're all equal?

kick 7y ago
He broke the law a bunch of times and then threatened a man's family to force him to comply, and got the man locked up. This isn't fighting injustice, it's causing injustice.
- terryf 7y ago
  "He broke the law a bunch of times" Kowing if he did that is dependent on there being a court decision. Look, I don't like that some probably innocent plane guy is in jail more than anyone else but judging people just because they are rich is also wrong. Also I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gosn that threatened him but rather the security guy that put together the plan.
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    >Also I'm pretty sure it wasn't Ghosn that threatened him but rather the security guy that put together the plan. Is this the reverse of "I just followed orders"? Can the cartel bosses in Mexico not being guilty of the actions of their security guys? Maybe all they wanted was to do a trade but these pesky security guys keep killing people brutally.
    - terryf 7y ago
      Depends on what the order was. If he said "threaten and kill anyone that gets in the way" then yes Ghosn is guilty. If the order was "get me out of the country without harming anyone" then the security guy was guilty. At this point we don't know which it was.
      - mrtksn 7y ago
        How do you explain his decision to enter Lebanon openly, exposing his plane, therefore exposing the route and the people involved when not exposing the people who organised all this? Why he did not enter Lebanon in the same box he left Japan? I am pretty sure that Ghosn is intelligent enough to know that as soon as he exposes his route of escape, the people involved in the operation will be exposed. He chooses to expose these when protecting the people he paid. Was Carlos assuming that the security contractor works for the money and likes being not in jail just like him but airline personnel would do illegal things as part of the rent contract and not having problems with being exposed?