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I have definitely gotten the impression (as a very peripheral observer of the Rust community) that ideological diversity is not at all the sort of diversity Moz

I have definitely gotten the impression (as a very peripheral observer of the Rust community) that ideological diversity is not at all the sort of diversity Mozilla is interested in.

Argorak 7y ago
I wonder where that impression comes from? The Rust project is surprisingly diverse there and especially the moderation teams run the gamut from very progressive to very classic conservative. We have a common boundary agreement (that's what the CoC lays out), but other then that, you'd be surprised of the number of opinions you'd see. Granted, some of the very public figures are very progressive/leftist, but they also do their legwork for it and generally keep that on the side when they speak with their Rust hat on.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  I don't know about the parent but at least for me that impression came from the censorship enforced by the moderation team in https://snew.notabug.io/r/rust/comments/7nx3cm/announcement_ashley_williams_joins_the_core_team/ https://snew.notabug.io/r/rust/comments/7nx3cm/announcement_...
intarga 7y ago
Given the context, I take ideological diversity to mean inclusion of people who are sexist, homophobic, and transphobic. The identity characteristic here revolves around the exclusion of others, how in any sense does that make it reasonable to include them in the name of diversity? You're asking people to tolerate intolerance in the name of tolerance. I can't see such a request as anything less than insincere.
- wyoh 7y ago
  You're part of the problem by thinking anyone with differing opinions is sexist racist transphobic and any other ism.
  - gr__or 7y ago
    They did clearly state "given the context". The context being someone who, supposedly (I don't know, that was before my time and outside of my circles), had those traits. So I think saying "by thinking anyone with differing opinions is Xist" is a mischaracterization of what was expressed originally.
  - intarga 7y ago
    We're not talking about "anyone with differing opinions", we're talking about a specific person who publicly denounced their coworkers based on their gender and sexuality.

I have definitely gotten the impression (as a very peripheral observer of the Rust community) that ideological diversity is not at all the sort of diversity Mozilla is interested in.

Argorak 7y ago

I wonder where that impression comes from? The Rust project is surprisingly diverse there and especially the moderation teams run the gamut from very progressive to very classic conservative. We have a common boundary agreement (that's what the CoC lays out), but other then that, you'd be surprised of the number of opinions you'd see. Granted, some of the very public figures are very progressive/leftist, but they also do their legwork for it and generally keep that on the side when they speak with their Rust hat on.

dependenttypes 7y ago
I don't know about the parent but at least for me that impression came from the censorship enforced by the moderation team in https://snew.notabug.io/r/rust/comments/7nx3cm/announcement_ashley_williams_joins_the_core_team/ https://snew.notabug.io/r/rust/comments/7nx3cm/announcement_...

intarga 7y ago

Given the context, I take ideological diversity to mean inclusion of people who are sexist, homophobic, and transphobic. The identity characteristic here revolves around the exclusion of others, how in any sense does that make it reasonable to include them in the name of diversity? You're asking people to tolerate intolerance in the name of tolerance. I can't see such a request as anything less than insincere.

wyoh 7y ago
You're part of the problem by thinking anyone with differing opinions is sexist racist transphobic and any other ism.
- gr__or 7y ago
  They did clearly state "given the context". The context being someone who, supposedly (I don't know, that was before my time and outside of my circles), had those traits. So I think saying "by thinking anyone with differing opinions is Xist" is a mischaracterization of what was expressed originally.
- intarga 7y ago
  We're not talking about "anyone with differing opinions", we're talking about a specific person who publicly denounced their coworkers based on their gender and sexuality.