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But surely if those OECD countries don't put doctors through nearly a decade of hazing and well into the six figures of educational debt, they must have (more)

• jac241 7y ago
  The poor population outcomes and lack of access to healthcare in America is shameful and disappointing. One of the big issues in my mind that comes from the debt is that it traps people who realize that they don't want to be doctors after they start medical school into the medical field. The other is that the debt loads are starting to exclude people from lower paying specialties (family medicine, pediatrics, infectious disease). The training time between US and other countries ends up being more or less the same when you add the fact that their residencies tend to be a little longer than in the US (due to less hours). Here is a list from the UK: https://thesavvyimg.co.uk/how-long-is-specialty-training-in-the-uk/ https://thesavvyimg.co.uk/how-long-is-specialty-training-in-.... Many of the surgical specialties that take 7-8 there take 5 here (urology, vascular surgery, etc.). So even if their pregraduate training is only 6 vs our 8, there are some specialties where it comes out to be a wash. There's also definitely hazing/long hours in some other countries as well. Here's an example of an Australian plastic surgery hopeful: https://mindbodymiko.com/the-ugly-side-of-becoming-a-surgeon/ https://mindbodymiko.com/the-ugly-side-of-becoming-a-surgeon...