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...the lead flight attendant even made an announcement asking everyone to please remain seated so that she could exit the plane first. Nobody listened. I find

...the lead flight attendant even made an announcement asking everyone to please remain seated so that she could exit the plane first. Nobody listened. I find myself with a case of both sider-ism on this. One the one hand (the hand that really should win out), we should all be able to act as decent empathetic people with the instruction following capabilities of a 7 year old when the situation dictates. But on the other hand, when you treat (and pack) your customers like a bunch of damn cattle, don't be surprised when they act like a bunch of damn cattle.

pb7 7y ago
> But on the other hand, when you treat (and pack) your customers like a bunch of damn cattle, don't be surprised when they act like a bunch of damn cattle. I never understood this. What exactly would you have airlines do? They don’t operate on massive margins. Ticket prices are the lowest or nearly the lowest they have ever been. You should blame the cheapness of the general populace for encouraging the squeezing of every last penny in ticket prices that results in the explosion of the 28” legroom budget airline market. You’re not entitled to air travel. Don’t like the (lack of) space? Pay for business or first class where the airline actually makes a profit. In the meantime, you better damn well listen to the flight crew’s instructions.
oarabbus_ 7y ago
Sure, the legroom is considerably lacking in economy class. But aside from that (a small price to pay for a trip that would otherwise take days to months, no?) what makes you call being on a flight being like "damn cattle"? >But on the other hand, when you treat (and pack) your customers like a bunch of damn cattle, don't be surprised when they act like a bunch of damn cattle.
- asdff 7y ago
  I don't get the gripe with leg room, unless you are oddly shaped. I'm 6' and I don't care about leg room or leaning back, because in every flight you can just push your bag under your seat and stretch your legs fully under the seat ahead of you. I find a 5 hour flight more comfortable than 3 hour sporting event on an aluminum bleacher.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    I am 6'5" and I feel that if I can fly without complaining about leg room, all you oompa loompas should be able to as well. ;) I really feel for the folks 6'7" and over tho. I have just about an inch of slack when I sit down on a Delta flight, so I imagine beyond that would be pretty uncomfortable. Also, I resolved not to fly on Air Asia any more because they seem to leave a lot less room even than our Western LCC flights.
    - qroshan 7y ago
      Yeah, tall people complaining about anything is like Rich people complaining about stuff. You won the genetic lottery, just deal with a couple of minor yearly inconveniences when you can enjoy life's other benefits. (Better choice of partners, Higher Pay and Raises, Faster career growth)
  - velosol 7y ago
    I fully agree that an airline seat is more comfortable than bleachers but how do you put your bag under your seat - there's almost always someone else's feet or bag there?
    - pb7 7y ago
      I think he means under the legs, which are outstretched under the seat in front. I do this and it works well.
      - ddingus 7y ago
        That is how I read it. And that is what I do, unless I want to sleep. In that scenario, I put the bag on the tray, bear hug it, and drop right off. Leaning forward into the bag works for me. (Yes, I have a huggable bag, and I have one of those thin blankets I mooched from Delta years ago.)
  - turk73 7y ago
    My knees both get extremely sore when I have to sit for long periods of time. Bleechers at sporting events? I simply don't go. Flying? It's hell because they cut the legroom so short. I'm 5'11" btw, I have long femurs. Once the pain sets in, I have to straighten my legs out and hopefully get up and move around.

pb7 7y ago

> But on the other hand, when you treat (and pack) your customers like a bunch of damn cattle, don't be surprised when they act like a bunch of damn cattle. I never understood this. What exactly would you have airlines do? They don’t operate on massive margins. Ticket prices are the lowest or nearly the lowest they have ever been. You should blame the cheapness of the general populace for encouraging the squeezing of every last penny in ticket prices that results in the explosion of the 28” legroom budget airline market. You’re not entitled to air travel. Don’t like the (lack of) space? Pay for business or first class where the airline actually makes a profit. In the meantime, you better damn well listen to the flight crew’s instructions.

oarabbus_ 7y ago

Sure, the legroom is considerably lacking in economy class. But aside from that (a small price to pay for a trip that would otherwise take days to months, no?) what makes you call being on a flight being like "damn cattle"? >But on the other hand, when you treat (and pack) your customers like a bunch of damn cattle, don't be surprised when they act like a bunch of damn cattle.

asdff 7y ago
I don't get the gripe with leg room, unless you are oddly shaped. I'm 6' and I don't care about leg room or leaning back, because in every flight you can just push your bag under your seat and stretch your legs fully under the seat ahead of you. I find a 5 hour flight more comfortable than 3 hour sporting event on an aluminum bleacher.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  I am 6'5" and I feel that if I can fly without complaining about leg room, all you oompa loompas should be able to as well. ;) I really feel for the folks 6'7" and over tho. I have just about an inch of slack when I sit down on a Delta flight, so I imagine beyond that would be pretty uncomfortable. Also, I resolved not to fly on Air Asia any more because they seem to leave a lot less room even than our Western LCC flights.
  - qroshan 7y ago
    Yeah, tall people complaining about anything is like Rich people complaining about stuff. You won the genetic lottery, just deal with a couple of minor yearly inconveniences when you can enjoy life's other benefits. (Better choice of partners, Higher Pay and Raises, Faster career growth)
- velosol 7y ago
  I fully agree that an airline seat is more comfortable than bleachers but how do you put your bag under your seat - there's almost always someone else's feet or bag there?
  - pb7 7y ago
    I think he means under the legs, which are outstretched under the seat in front. I do this and it works well.
    - ddingus 7y ago
      That is how I read it. And that is what I do, unless I want to sleep. In that scenario, I put the bag on the tray, bear hug it, and drop right off. Leaning forward into the bag works for me. (Yes, I have a huggable bag, and I have one of those thin blankets I mooched from Delta years ago.)
- turk73 7y ago
  My knees both get extremely sore when I have to sit for long periods of time. Bleechers at sporting events? I simply don't go. Flying? It's hell because they cut the legroom so short. I'm 5'11" btw, I have long femurs. Once the pain sets in, I have to straighten my legs out and hopefully get up and move around.