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So... What's the value proposition over, say, Firefox?

by ripdog 7y ago

Scarbutt 7y ago
Not google and your web apps will work and be snappy. Not implying this is all good.
- filoleg 7y ago
  And if you do webdev, chrome dev tools are still the best. While firefox tools keep getting better, i still find myself regularly launching chrome just for those.
  - laken 7y ago
    I feel the opposite, I prefer the Firefox dev tools by far. The CSS Grid and CSS Animation tools are lacking hard on Chrome. I feel though that overall they're close to equal, some tools are better on one platform than the other, but it's personal preference at the end of the day.
  - irrational 7y ago
    I don't agree. I think it is just what you are used to using. I'm used to Firefox and find their dev tools to be superior to Chrome, but I'm pretty sure that is just because I'm just more used to Firefox's dev tools (having used them since the firebug days).
  - endemic 7y ago
    I feel like I regularly see similar comments, touting the superiority of Chrome devtools. I haven’t used Chrome in a few years; what do they have that others don’t?
    - aabbcc1241 7y ago
      The only moment I would use chrome devtools is when I need to debug remote devices (Android webview)
microtheo 7y ago
I love firefox. The only big difference for now is that it is better integrated with windows. You can swipe back on the trackpad to go back and use your touchscreen seamlessly (even the keyboard pops up correctly without screwing the size of the window) Firefox doesn't do that well.
- AdmiralGinge 7y ago
  I love firefox too, it's my go-to browser at work on Linux and at home on macOS. It really isn't as well integrated into macOS either though, especially compared to Chrome and Safari. The trackpad support (or lack of it) would probably have been a deal breaker when I got a mac if I wasn't already a long-term Firefox user and quite Google-sceptic.
KoftaBob 7y ago
You get Chrome's large ecosystem of browser extensions, with much less Google tracking. That's how I see it at least.
- anonymousab 7y ago
  > much less Google tracking Specifically, with Microsoft tracking in place of Google's for initial telemetry. Whether that makes its way to Google somewhere along the lines or not is a different story.
- swebs 7y ago
  But then you add Microsoft tracking which is even worse. Why not just use Chromium and have no tracking?
  - wayneftw 7y ago
    Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? I'm pretty sure Google has infected more of the Internet than Microsoft.
    - swebs 7y ago
      Because Microsoft is also collecting data from the OS level as well if you're using Windows. It's easy to keep sensitive data out of Gmail. It's hard to keep it of your computer entirely.
    - d1zzy 7y ago
      > Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? Without specifics is hard to know what the message you replied to meant but one thing where I find MS tracking worse than anything Google can do on the Internet right now is that MS tracks and reports my local OS use (what applications I install/run, how long I run them, what files I have) while an Internet tracker can only get access to what the browser allows which generally limits sharing the type of information I listed. EDIT: And pretty much all browsers have an Incognito mode or you can use TorBrowser which goes beyond that but I cannot similarly defend myself against my own local OS privacy invasion.
overcast 7y ago
Massive for corporate, since it supports Enterprise Mode lists for IE11 backwards compatibility. We can all finally use one single browser, with single sign on to our apps, and support for new technology.
hoten 7y ago
a11y. i18n. They did a lot there.
rejectfinite 7y ago
Microsoft integration. Already installed in Windows. Microsoft supported = huge for corps that live in MS ecosystem. Best quality for Netflix streaming. No need to have Google Chrome installed.

So... What's the value proposition over, say, Firefox?

by ripdog 7y ago

So... What's the value proposition over, say, Firefox?

Scarbutt 7y ago

Not google and your web apps will work and be snappy. Not implying this is all good.

filoleg 7y ago
And if you do webdev, chrome dev tools are still the best. While firefox tools keep getting better, i still find myself regularly launching chrome just for those.
- laken 7y ago
  I feel the opposite, I prefer the Firefox dev tools by far. The CSS Grid and CSS Animation tools are lacking hard on Chrome. I feel though that overall they're close to equal, some tools are better on one platform than the other, but it's personal preference at the end of the day.
- irrational 7y ago
  I don't agree. I think it is just what you are used to using. I'm used to Firefox and find their dev tools to be superior to Chrome, but I'm pretty sure that is just because I'm just more used to Firefox's dev tools (having used them since the firebug days).
- endemic 7y ago
  I feel like I regularly see similar comments, touting the superiority of Chrome devtools. I haven’t used Chrome in a few years; what do they have that others don’t?
  - aabbcc1241 7y ago
    The only moment I would use chrome devtools is when I need to debug remote devices (Android webview)

microtheo 7y ago

I love firefox. The only big difference for now is that it is better integrated with windows. You can swipe back on the trackpad to go back and use your touchscreen seamlessly (even the keyboard pops up correctly without screwing the size of the window) Firefox doesn't do that well.

AdmiralGinge 7y ago
I love firefox too, it's my go-to browser at work on Linux and at home on macOS. It really isn't as well integrated into macOS either though, especially compared to Chrome and Safari. The trackpad support (or lack of it) would probably have been a deal breaker when I got a mac if I wasn't already a long-term Firefox user and quite Google-sceptic.

KoftaBob 7y ago

You get Chrome's large ecosystem of browser extensions, with much less Google tracking. That's how I see it at least.

anonymousab 7y ago
> much less Google tracking Specifically, with Microsoft tracking in place of Google's for initial telemetry. Whether that makes its way to Google somewhere along the lines or not is a different story.
swebs 7y ago
But then you add Microsoft tracking which is even worse. Why not just use Chromium and have no tracking?
- wayneftw 7y ago
  Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? I'm pretty sure Google has infected more of the Internet than Microsoft.
  - swebs 7y ago
    Because Microsoft is also collecting data from the OS level as well if you're using Windows. It's easy to keep sensitive data out of Gmail. It's hard to keep it of your computer entirely.
  - d1zzy 7y ago
    > Why is Microsoft tracking "even worse" than Google tracking? Without specifics is hard to know what the message you replied to meant but one thing where I find MS tracking worse than anything Google can do on the Internet right now is that MS tracks and reports my local OS use (what applications I install/run, how long I run them, what files I have) while an Internet tracker can only get access to what the browser allows which generally limits sharing the type of information I listed. EDIT: And pretty much all browsers have an Incognito mode or you can use TorBrowser which goes beyond that but I cannot similarly defend myself against my own local OS privacy invasion.

overcast 7y ago

Massive for corporate, since it supports Enterprise Mode lists for IE11 backwards compatibility. We can all finally use one single browser, with single sign on to our apps, and support for new technology.

hoten 7y ago

a11y. i18n. They did a lot there.

rejectfinite 7y ago

Microsoft integration. Already installed in Windows. Microsoft supported = huge for corps that live in MS ecosystem. Best quality for Netflix streaming. No need to have Google Chrome installed.