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The misinformation about Masonry in the article is very unfortunate. The Freemasons are not a “secret organization” — they are organization of secrets. Big diff
by zomg 7y ago
The misinformation about Masonry in the article is very unfortunate. The Freemasons are not a “secret organization” — they are organization of secrets. Big difference. Also, this building isn’t a temple, they’re referred to as lodges. I can go on...
The Masons are one of the largest fundraising organizations in the world, who started and fund the Shriners Hospitals, as an example.
Would have preferred to see a more positive and realistic perspective on the Freemasonry.
- overthemoon 7y agoWhat does the difference between "secret organization" vs "organization of secrets" mean?
- ragebol 7y agoWell, I know they exist, so if the former was a goal, that failed.
- sangnoir 7y agoI don't think they named the "Secret Service" based on its existence being kept secret either - rather, their business is secret. I don't think that was a goal considering how avidly they plaster Masonry symbols everywhere - including on their temples
- skyyler 7y agoActually, the Secret Service was originally an undercover anti-counterfeiting group. I do believe its existence was kept secret for a time.
- sangnoir 7y agoI'm genuinely curious: may you please provide more information about how it was "undercover"? None of the references I've found suggest that knowledge of its existence was kept under wraps at the time of its founding in 1865[1] - it was merely the federal agency responsible for countering counterfeit currency, and that doesn't require secrecy. I suspect the whole 007-like mystique only arose much later - after it was tasked with protecting the president in 1901/2 1. not-so-fun-fact: Lincoln was assassinated while the legislation to create the USSS was awaiting his signature on his desk
- glckr 7y agoThey're publicly well known, and as far as I'm aware they don't have any rules against telling people you're a member. Many of their temples/lodges/whatever you want to call them are identified somewhere on the facade (Freemasons' Hall in Edinburgh for example is available for hire as an event space). However, what they do and talk about within the lodge is secret.
- hokumguru 7y agoAFAIK there's no explicit rules against telling others that you're a member of the brotherhood
- msla 7y ago> They're publicly well known, and as far as I'm aware they don't have any rules against telling people you're a member. 2B1ask1 is a Freemason slogan: To become a Freemason, ask one about joining. http://freemasoninformation.com/2b1ask1/ http://freemasoninformation.com/2b1ask1/ In fact, from the page: > If you are seeking Membership YOU MUST ASK a Mason or a Masonic Lodge for an application. Can't very well ask one if the fact they're Masons is supposed to be a secret.
- bovermyer 7y agoThe line is actually closer to "we're not a secret society, we're a society with secrets." Basically, it means that we're not a shadow organization that cloaks all it does in secrecy. Rather, we are a public organization that guards some internal knowledge behind closed doors and cyphers.
- tartoran 7y agoThis euphemism makes it look like it is a lot more transparent this way, but it isn't really if secrets are being guarded from the outside world. The only different thing is that it not being a shadow organization there's a possibility one can join its ranks.
- MockObject 7y agoI feel like a "secret organization" wouldn't be listed in phone directories or have public websites. Every government and corporation has a few secrets, but I don't think they're "secret organizations", rather, they're "organizations with secrets".
- msla 7y agoI'm not a secret person, I'm a person with secrets. I exist and live a life with plenty of people knowing my name but I don't broadcast every single little thing. I keep some things secret. (OK, I'm kinda secret here, because I'm not going to give anyone my email address. But I don't adopt a pseudonym in the physical world.)
- jboggan 7y agoYou are noticing the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.
- saberdancer 7y agoSign outside the building says "Masonic temple". Not sure if it is original. I'd assume that the lodge is organizational unit, while temple is a building. Wiki seems to agree. "A Masonic Temple or Masonic Hall is, within Freemasonry, the room or edifice where a Masonic Lodge meets"
- tomjakubowski 7y agoLodge and Temple in informal usage are interchangeable, but formally the Lodge is the organizational subunit and the Temple is the Lodge's meeting space. https://pasadenamasonic.org/ https://pasadenamasonic.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Temple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Temple
- rootbear 7y agoThere are a couple of interesting looking Freemason facilities in the Washington, DC, area. I keep meaning to take the tours. My great-grandfather was a 33rd degree Mason. He was the whole classic stereotype: a civil engineer of Scottish descent!
- March_f6 7y agoTook a tour of one of the big ones there recently. It was quite strange with respect to the content of the library (pretty much the only place you are allowed to go if not on a guided tour) and the inordinate amount of Ben Franklin ephemera.
- slowhand09 7y agoMy uncle was a 33rd Deg FreeMason also. I learned this at his funeral... He served in 3 wars, WW2, Korea, & Vietnam. Is it correct that to be considered for membership, you must approach a member? But they cannot approach you and try to sell you on it?
- wl 7y ago> Is it correct that to be considered for membership, you must approach a member? But they cannot approach you and try to sell you on it? Yes.
- dole 7y agoOne uncommonly spoken requirement of Freemasonry membership is the belief in a Supreme Creator/Higher Power. Not strictly Christianity either, but really any Great Creator of the Universe. This would cause Freemasonry to be a non-starter with a considerable number of HN readers (atheists, specifically.)
- djrobstep 7y agoIf it looks like a cult, and quacks like a cult...
- dang 7y agoPlease don't post unsubstantive comments or flamebait to HN. Especially not religious flamebait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- djrobstep 7y agoFreemasonry isn't a religion - in fact, religious discussion is often banned within freemasonry groups. "Freemasonry exhibits many cult-like characteristics and thus probably is a cult" is a fairly substantive claim, and my intention isn't to "flamebait", but to draw attention and awareness to how cults operate and how to identify them - a matter of personal importance to me, as people close to me have been involved in cults and harmed by them.
- BubRoss 7y agoThe article also casually mentions the building being haunted, so I'm not sure if expecting superb journalism here is reasonable.
- moretai 7y agoWhat kind of secrets?
- tartoran 7y agoWell, that's secret information
- pronoiac 7y agoAt work I've referred to e.g. Hashicorp Vault as "secrets management" rather than "secret management" to avoid this sort of ambiguity and misreading.
- ggggtez 7y agoConsider the references to ghosts later in the article, you shouldn't be surprised that they play up the "spooky" aspect. No one benefits from telling the simple truth that it's just a fairly large community center.